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Post by ohio county on Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:49 am

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Re: Assassination of Benazir Bhutto Displays Disparity in Obitua

Post by Stephanie on Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:47 am

The Brits do almost everything better. Well, almost, the food is dreadful.

Bhutto was a very courageous woman. I fear what comes next, particularly from our government.

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Post by Aaron on Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:04 am

Stephanie wrote:The Brits do almost everything better. Well, almost, the food is dreadful.

Bhutto was a very courageous woman. I fear what comes next, particularly from our government.


I've always been curious how a woman got to the position that she did in an Islamist society. As for what's next, there's a very interesting article in Time.
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Re: Assassination of Benazir Bhutto Displays Disparity in Obitua

Post by Stephanie on Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:11 am

Aaron wrote:
Stephanie wrote:The Brits do almost everything better. Well, almost, the food is dreadful.

Bhutto was a very courageous woman. I fear what comes next, particularly from our government.


I've always been curious how a woman got to the position that she did in an Islamist society. As for what's next, there's a very interesting article in Time.


She sort of inherited it. Her father was the beloved founder of the People's Party and he was executed in 1979. I'm pretty sure her brothers were all either executed or assassinated and she just carried on her father's legacy. She truly was a remarkable woman. She wasn't perfect, but she was inspiring.

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Post by Aaron on Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:14 am

I'm just suprised that given her gender she was accepted as a leader in that society. From the way the US news portrays that religion, it could never happen.

Could the mainstream media be putting out information that isn't entirely accurate??? affraid
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Post by shermangeneral on Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:27 am

Well thank goodness she was not really assassinated afterall.

Turns out she just slipped and bumped her head when that car backfired.

Yeah right.

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Post by ohio county on Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:49 am

Whether she was shot to death or had an accident with the sun roof, can we agree that charges Musharaf was giving her inadequate security were bogus? How are you going to protect somebody who stands up in a sunroof to wave at all the fruitcakes?
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Post by SamCogar on Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:19 am

She should have borrowed the Popemobile.

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Musharif no more reliable than bush

Post by shermangeneral on Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:22 am

Well I for one would put no more credence in what the Musharif gang says than if it was the bush/cheney duo.

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Post by ziggy on Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:09 pm

ohio county wrote:Whether she was shot to death or had an accident with the sun roof, can we agree that charges Musharaf was giving her inadequate security were bogus? How are you going to protect somebody who stands up in a sunroof to wave at all the fruitcakes?


So the supporters of a democratic reform candidate are "fruitcakes"?

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Post by ohio county on Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:21 pm

Upon her immediate return to Pakistan, Bhutto was confronted with a baby for kissing. Due to pressure from her handlers she was whisked away and was safely gone when the baby exploded. Those who would strap bombs to babies are fruitcakes.

Some republicans are fruitcakes.

And, yes, some supporters of democratic reform candidates are fruitcakes.
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Re: Assassination of Benazir Bhutto Displays Disparity in Obitua

Post by shermangeneral on Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:55 pm

Come on OC you dont believe she fell and bumped her head any more than I do.

If the bush gang would have gone after bin Ladin instead of turning things over to these local warlords and military dictators we would be in a lot better situation right now.

Instead of being bogged down in a futile occupation of Iraq while bin Ladin is seen as a big hero who kept the US at bay for six years.

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Post by Stephanie on Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:26 pm

ohio county wrote:Whether she was shot to death or had an accident with the sun roof, can we agree that charges Musharaf was giving her inadequate security were bogus? How are you going to protect somebody who stands up in a sunroof to wave at all the fruitcakes?


I don't think it is at all clear the charges against the current Pakistani regime are bogus. I do think it is clear the Bhutto was somewhat reckless.

As for the fruitcakes........there are plenty to go around to be sure. I highly doubt that it was a democratic reform variety fruitcake who killed this woman. I do think Bhutto herself was a bit of a fruitcake.

I liked her, I did. I still think she was courageous and very inspirational to women all over the world. I admire her conviction. Her conviction is also what makes me question her mental health.

Her father was executed. Her brothers were both killed. There are some who believe that one or both may have been killed on her orders. In any event, her family has been wiped out and she fears for her own safety and rightly so.

So what does she do? Who does she pass this burden on to? Her 19 year old son. As a mother that is something I simply cannot understand. I have an 18 year old son. I would never, under any circumstances, place him in such a dangerous situation. Not for myself, not for my husband, not even for his own siblings and certainly not for my country.

I guess my patriotism only goes so far. Perhaps I'm the fruitcake. Perhaps I'm just a whimp as I've long suspected. Still, go ask your wives if they would ever jeopardize one of their own children that way. Ask yourselves, would you do that to your son or daughter?

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Post by shermangeneral on Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:43 pm

Well Steph I could be wrong but as I understand she did not pass it on to her son.

She passed it on to her husband.

He in turn said hail no I dont want it you take it and passed it on to the son.

I still have not heard why the husband did that.

Maybe he just did not feel a "calling" I dont know.

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Post by Stephanie on Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:59 pm

shermangeneral wrote:Well Steph I could be wrong but as I understand she did not pass it on to her son.

She passed it on to her husband.

He in turn said hail no I dont want it you take it and passed it on to the son.

I still have not heard why the husband did that.

Maybe he just did not feel a "calling" I dont know.


Holy crap, Sherm, you are correct! I was going by a news report I heard on television yesterday. I thought on CNN but this is what their website is reporting today:

Zardari also said Sunday he will serve as co-chairman of the Pakistan People's Party while their 19-year-old son, Bilawal, and newly named heir to the party leadership, finishes his studies.

"He will, of course, be kept aware of all that is happening with the party," Zardari told CNN sister network CNN-IBN. "I will be looking after the interests of the party, as a guide, as a helper, and as a friend to the party, and as a part-time leader to the party."

Once the political science student at Oxford University has been properly groomed, "then I can go and play golf," Zardari said, without specifying how long he thought the process would take.

Zardari acknowledged that his wife stipulated in her will that he was to step into her role in the event of her death. But Zardari said his decision to pass that role to their son is correct.

"I, in my political wisdom, think we need a larger symbol than myself to keep the party united with her gone," he said. "Because she could have probably not even herself imagined the reaction that her death would do to Pakistan."

He said Bhutto's assassination on Thursday has thrust Pakistan onto the verge of disintegration.

But Zardari said the parliamentary elections slated to be held January 8, less than two weeks after his wife's death, should not be postponed.

"Our demand is elections on time -- free, fair as promised," he said.

He called on opposition leader Nawaz Sharif -- who heads the Pakistan Muslim League-N party -- to also take part in the vote. Sharif has previously said he would boycott the election.

But sources within the Pakistan Muslim League-N party say they will stand with the PPP and take part in the election. Speaking on Pakistan's GEO-TV, Sharif said an official announcement on the party's decision would take place Monday.

President Pervez Musharraf's ruling Pakistan Muslim League-Q, the election commission and the interim Cabinet will hold separate meetings in the coming days to discuss the possibility of a delayed vote.

Zardari said he does not trust the government led by Musharraf to ensure the elections are indeed free and fair, but he does believe the people of Pakistan will be able to ensure that happens.

Whether his other two children will decide to enter politics "is entirely up to them," he said.

"You know children today. You cannot force them or ask them to do anything. They do what they choose to do. Bilawal has chosen this. And so will the other two -- if they choose to come and help their brother and help their father, they're welcome to. If they choose not, then I will not impose anything upon anybody."

He said Bhutto had trained Bilawal: "He realizes the enormity of the situation. So therefore, he's accepted the responsibility." Watch Bhutto's son and husband talk about the party's future »

The teenager, speaking in English at a news conference, said, "I am thankful for the CEC [Central Election Commission] for imposing their trust in me as chairman of the Pakistan People's Party."

"Like all chairmen of the PPP, I will stand as the symbol of the federation," said Bilawal Bhutto. "The party's long and historic struggle for democracy will continue with renewed vigor, and I stand committed to the stability of the federation.

"My mother always said democracy is the best revenge."


Shermy you have to stop proving me wrong like this.

You're shattering my self-image! Wink

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