Why isn't the state doing their job?

Aaron wrote:What gets me is that ole Frank posted how many times about Massey's violations that led to the Federal EPA sueing them that led to massive fines.

What he didn't tell everyone was that Massy was monitoring their water and reporting to the WV DEP monthly just like they was supposed to. .

You are fibbing again, Aaron. Frank told you that the violations were self-reported. And that is why Massey did not contest the EPA action- because Massey had already reported the violations under terms of the permits that require self-reporting.

Now I don't knwo about anyone else, but If I'm told I have to send a report in to someone every month and I go 5 years and no one tells me there's a problem, then I think anyone with even the slimest bit of common sense would reasonably conclude that everything was OK.

No one could reasonably conclude that if your self-reporting indicated that your effluents exceeded your permit discharge limits.

I am by no means trying to defend Massey or ISG or anyone else, but when the state doesn't do their job, there should be some consquences for their lack of action.

The consequences should be that the EPA revoke primacy- revoke the state's authority to issue and monitor NPDES permits.

But I'm sure Frank will find a way to blame their not doing what they were hired to do on the coal companies.

It was the coal companies who- agreeing to certain terms of those permits- subsequently violated them.

They were self reported Frank. To the state. Or is the article I referenced that said exactly what it said fibbing too???

Bottom line is, the state did not do their job but you can excuse that, right Frank. After all, they were probably coerced just like the inspectors that were at Aracoma the day before 2 workers got killed and failed to do their job, right Frank!!! And that's coal's fault, right Frank.

Cato wrote:If you truly want change then the people who the public needs to hold accountible is the governor and the legislature. The Buck stops there and they are the one's to be held accountible.

Cato

What we are talking about here, Cato, is a federal law, the Claean Water Act, that allows the U.S. EPA to defer to state agancies to issue permits and other enforce the Cleab Water Act in the states that set up regulations to do so. This gives the states "primacy" to enforce the federal laws. But EPA can and does monitor the permits and the reports required under the permits. And it can file lawsuits against permit holders who exceed permit effluenet limits.

In my opinion, the solution would be for the EPA to revoke primacy, and do its own federal law permitting and enforcement actions- leaving the state legislature and the governor out of it.

Aaron wrote:They were self reported Frank. To the state. Or is the article I referenced that said exactly what it said fibbing too???

What you fibbed about was when you said:

Aaron wrote:
What gets me is that ole Frank posted how many times about Massey's violations that led to the Federal EPA sueing them that led to massive fines.

What he didn't tell everyone was that Massy was monitoring their water and reporting to the WV DEP monthly just like they was supposed to.

I told you back then that it was self-reported, and that is why Masey did not contest the charged violations. But back then you went through your speil about it was expensive to fight the EPA, and so Massey paid rather than fight the charged violations. But now you see that it was just as I had told you here back then- that Massey had already admitted the violations.

I told you so.

But somehow it's may fault that you were ignorant about it back then?

You ever think about writing Frank? Seems you've got a knack for fiction!!!

Stephanie wrote:It seems to me everyone in WV should be concerned about this whether they have a degree from WVU or in they have a loved one attending or thinking of enrolling or not. WV taxpayers are footing the bill for a lot of this and I really think we all deserve better.

Stephanie, you are right of course ...... that everyone in WV should be concerned about this.

But now I ask you, what other recourse or actions can those WVU Professors take .................... given the quality of the students that the High Schools in WV are dumping onto them?


Steph, and don't be one bit concerned about Katie attending WVU School of Pharmacy relative to ...... recognization of her Degree.

Just worry about her getting the Degree.

Steph, there is somewhere between 100 and 1,000 licensed Pharmacists now working in WV with Degrees from WVU ......... and that FACT speaks for itself.

cheers

OH YEAH, ...... then tell us, ...... why in hell should you care whether he resigned or not?

You have your Degree, ...... your job, ...... so why your IMMEDIATE concern?

Concern of any future job potentials ...... maybe.

Because I had to earn my degree and she was given hers by Manchin's buddy.

Sam, nothing in my posts called for you to use ad hom attacks.. Since you started with the name calling (the tired old "troughfeeder" slam), I'm giving you the "Douchbag of the Day" award.

Yes we (meaning you, too) elected the officials that appointed these goons. We should be able to directly elect the goons, themselves, so conflicts of interest will be more apparent.