HB 4076 makes me laugh.

What did Governor Wise do to your muffin, sheik?

SamCogar wrote:

ziggy wrote:OK.

Did you get in a fight last night? You're missin' a tooth. And your nose looks puffy.

But you're still smilin', so I guess you're Ok.

If you had read the post to see what was written, ....... rather than to see what you could post NEGATIVELY about its contents ........ then that CYA wouldn't have been necessary.

Where's your sense of humor, Sam?

And you complain about NEGATIVISM?

I just wish Jimmy would do something about that outrageous unibrow. I didn't even notice the missing tooth!

Aaron wrote:Considering Caperton took teachers up to 31st in the nation in teachers pay, I doubt they missed a year during his tenure. They may have but if they did, he more then made up for it in other years.

There's a difference in commiting the amount to legislatures then there is to all the teachers who on top of a 5+% pay increase is going to have their retirement bailed out to the tune of $79 million. If they go double digit years without a pay increase, then they can bitch.

I'm to the point I don't much care what the legislature does or doesn't do. My wife teaches, but if she gets a raise she does and if she don't she don't. We both have other fish to fry beside whether or not she gets a raise or can go back into the old retirement system. Obviously, she isn't going to quit and we are not moving from where we live. So, we have only one choice, shutup and continue to do what we do. We chose to continue what we do for a while longer.

The fact of the matter is that this is all simple economics, teachers are going to go where they can maximize their earning oppertunities which includes benefits, just like any other person would do. Yes, they are going to go to the legislature just like others do, including farmers, policemen, firemen, guards, and even you, asking for special consideration of some sorts. However, the final decision rests with the 132 men and women sitting in Charleston. Just like any company, private or public, employees only get what management gives them, nothing more nothing less. It is management, in this case the legislature, that are the ones that ultimately have to weigh the costs and benefits of a wage increase for teachers. Which brings us back to simple economics, if the price is right then the odds of retaining qualified teachers is good. On the other hand if the price isn't right, then keeping or hiring qualifed teachers is harder if not nearly impossible. It is the legislature that has to weigh the pros and cons and act accordingly. Instead of bellyaching about teachers, maybe you ought to place the blame where it belongs, in the lap of the legislature and governor.

ohio county wrote:

If you had read the post to see what was written, ....... rather than to see what you could post NEGATIVELY about its contents ........ then that CYA wouldn't have been necessary

Sam, that was not negative. He had reference to my avatar. My new avatar is a better likeness of me.

Ohio, could you please point out that "avatar reference" in this post of his.

ziggy wrote:

ohio county wrote:

It's just foolish to think this state can be properly run in only 3 months of the year.

Huh? What has the Legislature ever done to make you believe they can "properly run " West Virginia in any number of days? Hell, it takes them sixty days now to parcel out the budget digest. You or I could do it in a couple hours...

Even if you had to share the "parcelling out" with 131 other elected officials- plus a governor who could veto it all with the stroke of his pen?

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You're baitin' and switchin', again, Sam.

Even Aaron has abandoned you.

Aaron is abandoning anyone. Aaron was never a part of the line of conversation Sam was engaged in. Aaron's last statement was that the legislature in know way 'runs' the state government, they only fund it and that perhaps that if the legislature did a little less 'running' of the government, state and federal, only funded and left the actual managing of the departments to those qualified to do so, our state and federal governments might not be in the pathetic shape they are.

You guys ran away from that statement like democrats from a changing poll!!!

Who should create laws then? Should we leave that to the department heads too?

Stephanie wrote:Who should create laws then? Should we leave that to the department heads too?

Just out of curiousity, what ground breaking laws did our legislature enact this year that would requires year round service?

OC,

He spoke in it's presence.

ziggy wrote:You're baitin' and switchin', again, Sam.

Even Aaron has abandoned you.

Ziggy, why is it you love to employ your dastardly, devious "tricks" ........ and then blame your actions "on someone else" ......... whenever you are "outed" for your uncivil, amoral actions?

Ziggy's "baitin'" of Ohio, to wit:

ziggy wrote:

ohio county wrote:

It's just foolish to think this state can be properly run in only 3 months of the year.

Huh? What has the Legislature ever done to make you believe they can "properly run " West Virginia in any number of days? Hell, it takes them sixty days now to parcel out the budget digest. You or I could do it in a couple hours...

Even if you had to share the "parcelling out" with 131 other elected officials- plus a governor who could veto it all with the stroke of his pen?

Ziggy's "switchin'" in response to Ohio's reply, to wit:

ziggy wrote:

ohio county wrote:I was only talking about the budget digest which was eliminated in 2006. Most of the budget digest never saw the light of day and most of the 131 other elected officials had no clue. It was reserved for the leadership.

OK.

Did you get in a fight last night? You're missin' a tooth. And your nose looks puffy.

But you're still smilin', so I guess you're Ok.

"OK." ...... what, Zigster?

"OK." .... you wanted to retract what you said,

or "OK." ...... you wanted to change the subject?

Tell us Zigster, what were you ....... "OK'ing"?

HUH, ........ HUH, .............. HUH?

Ziggy, it is immaterial to me whether Ohio was "just being nice" ...... or ........ "just being naive", ........ your actions are what they are, ..... regardless.

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Aaron wrote:

Stephanie wrote:Who should create laws then? Should we leave that to the department heads too?

Just out of curiousity, what ground breaking laws did our legislature enact this year that would requires year round service?

They didn't have time to accomplish much of anything. They never do, that's the point.

Stephanie wrote:

Aaron wrote:

Stephanie wrote:Who should create laws then? Should we leave that to the department heads too?

Just out of curiousity, what ground breaking laws did our legislature enact this year that would requires year round service?

They didn't have time to accomplish much of anything. They never do, that's the point.

Time for what. To work on the ATV bill that they've been working on for 8+ years that I know of as opposed to the changes to the mining law they passed in just a few weeks a couple of years ago. Seems to me that if a law needs addressed and is critical to West Virginians, legislatures get it done in a timely manner. Otherwise they drag their feet in the regular session on garbage like the ATV bill and then have to call special sessions at more cost to the tax payers to take care of crap the should have been addressed during the regular session.

Just out of curiousity, how are you going to pay for these year round legislatures that set their own pay?

Seems to me there's very little consertative about you!!!

Aaron wrote:

Stephanie wrote:

Aaron wrote:

Stephanie wrote:Who should create laws then? Should we leave that to the department heads too?

Just out of curiousity, what ground breaking laws did our legislature enact this year that would requires year round service?

They didn't have time to accomplish much of anything. They never do, that's the point.

Time for what. To work on the ATV bill that they've been working on for 8+ years that I know of as opposed to the changes to the mining law they passed in just a few weeks a couple of years ago. Seems to me that if a law needs addressed and is critical to West Virginians, legislatures get it done in a timely manner. Otherwise they drag their feet in the regular session on garbage like the ATV bill and then have to call special sessions at more cost to the tax payers to take care of crap the should have been addressed during the regular session.

Just out of curiousity, how are you going to pay for these year round legislatures that set their own pay?

Seems to me there's very little consertative about you!!!

I'm sure if one of your children were autistic you wouldn't be quite so satisfied that the legislature took care of all the critical needs of West Virginians this session.

I'm not advocating the legislature set their own pay, nor am I advocating a legislature that meets "full-time". I posted earlier I don't believe they need to work even 210 days a year.

As far as the extra funding required, WV would have ample funds to adequately compensate our legislators, and a whole lot more, if we had th courage to stand up to our out of control federal goverment and refused to comply with mandates that are unConstitutional and/or unfunded. NCLB & the REAL ID Act are but two costly examples of this.

Stephanie wrote:
I'm sure if one of your children were autistic you wouldn't be quite so satisfied that the legislature took care of all the critical needs of West Virginians this session.

I'm not advocating the legislature set their own pay, nor am I advocating a legislature that meets "full-time". I posted earlier I don't believe they need to work even 210 days a year.

As far as the extra funding required, WV would have ample funds to adequately compensate our legislators, and a whole lot more, if we had th courage to stand up to our out of control federal goverment and refused to comply with mandates that are unConstitutional and/or unfunded. NCLB & the REAL ID Act are but two costly examples of this.

How in the world is a full time legislaure, or even a 3/4 time legisature going to solve the problems of an austistic child and what kind of bill are they going to write during their time in September or November that they couldn't write in January, February or March.

As for funding, we've got too much coal that supplies too much engery to be a poor state. The only reason we're poor is BECAUSE of our legislatures and their piss poor management.

And yeah, the NCLB is uncostitutional. The real ID act isn't.