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I love it when the idiots posts. Sam and Arron are like maybe 90% of the public, they don't want to accept that ultimately everyone bears personnal responsibility for their actions. Nope instead they whine and complain about how everything that happens is somebodyelses fault, not theirs. Consider the posts these two have made toward education. Its the teacher's Unions fault that education is a mess. It's the classroom teacher's fault that education is a mess. Did either one fo them say anything about parents who use the school system as a babysitter? Nope. Did either of them ever say the first word about parent and student responsibility in education? Nope!! Did either of them say the first word about communities that place far more emphisis on athletics than they do on academics? Nope. Did they say anything about the mandates that the politcians have pushed into the education community? You know things like taking discipline out of the classroom. Nope. Did they ever question why the politicians cave to the teachers unions? Nope. Instead they just sit and whine?

Then we have Aaron, supposedly a manager, telling us that he has no control over the place he manages. No sir, its the unions fault or the Fed's fault, but it certainly isn't Aaron's fault. Of course, Sammy comes running behind, like a little puppy. One has to wonder if he can ever really do anything other than play with colors, icons, fontsand make completely pointless comments.

All I can say is pathetic. As I said Aaron, you don't ever have to worry about managing a company for me. Excuses and whining doesn't cut it with me anymore.

Cato

Cato, you need to focus. We were discussing unions and suddenly your off ranting like an idiot loon about education. If you want to discuss education, just say so. You don’t have to go off like the retarded kid in math class. I’m sure Stephanie and others would have something to contribute to that conversation.

As it is though, the subject is unions and the labor movement of the past as compared to unions of today. You claim that unions and their membership only get what management is willing to give them and that management has complete control of negotiations. While that may very well be true how the state caves to the NEA every time they whine a little or how the government caved to railroads over the years, and it very well may be true of the watered down version of the union you deal with as a floor foreman, it is certainly not reflective of the history of unions or the organized labor movement.

Now you can do a little research and reading (starting with the link I provided you) and actually learn something about the union movement and organized labor of the past and how it pertains to today’s government agencies, how some government agencies are willing to switch from a socialist (teachers) type of pay to a production based type of pay (that was the overall topic of conversation), or you can remain stupid. The choice is yours.

From your previous post, I’d lay even money that as you’ve went this far in life using the latter, that will be your continued choice. Why switch when it’s got you all the way up to a floor supervisor position, right man!!!

Cato wrote:As I said Aaron, you don't ever have to worry about managing a company for me. Excuses and whining doesn't cut it with me anymore.
Cato

Wouldn't you have to make it past a floor supervisor and up about 9 levels in the chain of command to consider hiring a plant manager? As that's not likely to happen in the next 25 years, I'll stay with my current employer.

GEEEZE Willy, I guess you couldn't DISCREDIT anything I stated in my last two posts so you were forced to "rant n' rave" about everything else in lieu of admitting that I was correct about what I posted.

Cato wrote:I love it when the idiots posts. Sam and Arron are like maybe 90% of the public, they don't want to accept that ultimately everyone bears personnal responsibility for their actions. Nope instead they whine and complain about how everything that happens is somebodyelses fault, not theirs. Consider the posts these two have made toward education. Its the teacher's Unions fault that education is a mess. It's the classroom teacher's fault that education is a mess. Did either one fo them say anything about parents who use the school system as a babysitter? Nope. Did either of them ever say the first word about parent and student responsibility in education? Nope!! Did either of them say the first word about communities that place far more emphisis on athletics than they do on academics? Nope. Did they say anything about the mandates that the politcians have pushed into the education community? You know things like taking discipline out of the classroom. Nope. Did they ever question why the politicians cave to the teachers unions? Nope. Instead they just sit and whine?

Then we have Aaron, supposedly a manager, telling us that he has no control over the place he manages. No sir, its the unions fault or the Fed's fault, but it certainly isn't Aaron's fault. Of course, Sammy comes running behind, like a little puppy. One has to wonder if he can ever really do anything other than play with colors, icons, fontsand make completely pointless comments.

All I can say is pathetic. As I said Aaron, you don't ever have to worry about managing a company for me. Excuses and whining doesn't cut it with me anymore.

Cato

WOW Willy, that was sure a fine piece of “ranting n’ raving” you done did there above.

But you know what Willy, you spent all your time lecturing me about “bearing personal responsibility for my actions” ………. but you never said a damn word about “the teachers bearing personal responsibility for their actions”.

Why is that Willy boy, ……. why is that?

Willy, is it that you don't bear any responsibility whatsoever for the work that you do, ......... therefore you don't believe your wife and daughter should bear any responsibility whatsoever for the work they do as Teachers?

And Willy, why are you badmouthing Aaron about "his inability as a manager to administer control over the place he manages"?

Doesn't your wife and daughter have the same problem? Are they not managers within the schools where they work. Sure they are, all teachers are.

So Willy, why are you not badmouthing your wife, daughter and all the other teachers for their inability as managers to administer control over the places they manage.

Willy, give it your best shot, and .......
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Aaron wrote:

Cato wrote:As I said Aaron, you don't ever have to worry about managing a company for me. Excuses and whining doesn't cut it with me anymore.
Cato

Wouldn't you have to make it past a floor supervisor and up about 9 levels in the chain of command to consider hiring a plant manager? As that's not likely to happen in the next 25 years, I'll stay with my current employer.

You have no idea who I am or what I have accomplished. The one thing I know about you and your shadow Sammy is that the both of you are expert at making excuses and blaming others. You must look really good on paper and talk a good line to have made it as far as you have.

The one major difference between you and I is that I don't make excuses, nor do I cast blame on others for responsibilities that are mine.

Tootles

Cato wrote:

Aaron wrote:

Cato wrote:As I said Aaron, you don't ever have to worry about managing a company for me. Excuses and whining doesn't cut it with me anymore.
Cato

Wouldn't you have to make it past a floor supervisor and up about 9 levels in the chain of command to consider hiring a plant manager? As that's not likely to happen in the next 25 years, I'll stay with my current employer.

You have no idea who I am or what I have accomplished. The one thing I know about you and your shadow Sammy is that the both of you are expert at making excuses and blaming others. You must look really good on paper and talk a good line to have made it as far as you have.

The one major difference between you and I is that I don't make excuses, nor do I cast blame on others for responsibilities that are mine.

Tootles

What's truly ironic is that you want to preach personal responsibility when 2/3rd's of your family gets by being represented by a group that's never heard of personal responsibility.

Aaron wrote:
What's truly ironic is that you want to preach personal responsibility when 2/3rd's of your family gets by being represented by a group that's never heard of personal responsibility.

They are not the one's whining about all this nation's ills are caused by this group or that group. You and your puppy Sammy are the one's whining about that. All I did was point out that unions only ever get what management gives them. When a company fails, it isn't because of tunion caused the failure, it is because management failed. You whine and piss around about how bad education, you then place the blame on Teacher's unions. I don't guess it has ever crossed your superviose brain that the blame lays squarely in thelap of the legislature and governor. No, you won't ever think that because then all at once you, being management, just might have to be accountible. We can't have that can we?

And you were wrong.

Cato wrote:You whine and piss around about how bad education, you then place the blame on Teacher's unions. I don't guess it has ever crossed your superviose brain that the blame lays squarely in the lap of the legislature and governor.

Willy, that is technically right because the Legislature has to enact Legislation to give the Teachers what they DEMANDED, ..... but the ACTUAL blame lays squarely on the hands of the Teachers.

The Teachers, via their Union reps, lay their DEMANDS "squarely in the lap of the legislature and governor".

And if the Legislators and/or the Governor does not give them what they DEMAND, the Teachers will "vote in" replacements for all those that denied their DEMANDS.

Replacements that will give them what they DEMAND.

Thus, the Teachers have "STACKED" the Legislative "DECK" ...... to make damn sure that they "WIN THEIR DEMANDS" ............ when the vote is "CALLED" ..... during the Session game.

Thus, technically, ......... the Teachers are "CHEATING" at the game ..... and therefore they must accept PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ...... for the gawd awful conditiions of our Public School System.

But Willy, you and I both know, ......... the Teachers ain't about to do that, ...... right?



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Nobody told me only members of NEA & AFT and their families are allowed to vote in this state!

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