Danny Jones Out of Control
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Danny Jones Out of Control
I wonder what he has planned for those Shriners that won't get out of his way? This guy is really something else!
http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200803180649
http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200803180649
March 19, 2008
Jones' battle with health board escalates
Agency says cut will hurt public
Charleston Mayor Danny Jones' plan to cut $100,000 from the Kanawha-Charleston Health Department's funding would force the agency to curb vital services, health board members said Tuesday.
By Eric Eyre
Staff writer
Charleston Mayor Danny Jones' plan to cut $100,000 from the Kanawha-Charleston Health Department's funding would force the agency to curb vital services, health board members said Tuesday.
Jones called for slashing the city's $200,000 contribution to the department in half. He accused health board members of stalling his proposal to move the health department building to make way for a new downtown hotel.
Health board members defended the agency Tuesday.
"I fail to see how punishing the citizens of Kanawha County by depriving them of services is going to help the situation," said Stephen Weber, a health board member. "Apparently, the mayor wants use of our building and don't let the door hit you on the way out."
The budget reduction also could jeopardize an additional $100,000 in state matching funds, health officials said.
"We'll have to cut back on the services we do to help people," said health board member Brenda Isaac, adding that specific cuts haven't been identified yet. "This is really escalating. I don't know what the mayor is so angry about."
Jones said health board members say they want to move, but don't really mean it.
"They're doing some moonwalking," the mayor said Tuesday. "They act like they're moving forward, but they're actually moving backward."
Earlier this week, Jones recommended that Charleston City Council members slash $100,000 from the health department's budget for the upcoming year. The city normally distributes $200,000 a year to the health agency.
Jones also plans to ask the health department for a full accounting of how it spends the city's funds.
"We want to see the books," the mayor said. "We want to see where this money is going."
Last fall, Jones and Kanawha County Commission President Kent Carper suggested that the health department move from its current site across from the Charleston Civic Center. Local developers Kelsey and Angela Harding have expressed interest in buying the health department building and putting a hotel there.
Health board members say they support the move, but need more time. They've hired a consultant, Philip Angel, to identify possible sites - a decision that angered Jones and Carper.
Charleston Mayor Danny Jones' plan to cut $100,000 from the Kanawha-Charleston Health Department's funding would force the agency to curb vital services, health board members said Tuesday.
Jones called for slashing the city's $200,000 contribution to the department in half. He accused health board members of stalling his proposal to move the health department building to make way for a new downtown hotel.
Health board members defended the agency Tuesday.
"I fail to see how punishing the citizens of Kanawha County by depriving them of services is going to help the situation," said Stephen Weber, a health board member. "Apparently, the mayor wants use of our building and don't let the door hit you on the way out."
The budget reduction also could jeopardize an additional $100,000 in state matching funds, health officials said.
"We'll have to cut back on the services we do to help people," said health board member Brenda Isaac, adding that specific cuts haven't been identified yet. "This is really escalating. I don't know what the mayor is so angry about."
Jones said health board members say they want to move, but don't really mean it.
"They're doing some moonwalking," the mayor said Tuesday. "They act like they're moving forward, but they're actually moving backward."
Earlier this week, Jones recommended that Charleston City Council members slash $100,000 from the health department's budget for the upcoming year. The city normally distributes $200,000 a year to the health agency.
Jones also plans to ask the health department for a full accounting of how it spends the city's funds.
"We want to see the books," the mayor said. "We want to see where this money is going."
Last fall, Jones and Kanawha County Commission President Kent Carper suggested that the health department move from its current site across from the Charleston Civic Center. Local developers Kelsey and Angela Harding have expressed interest in buying the health department building and putting a hotel there.
Health board members say they support the move, but need more time. They've hired a consultant, Philip Angel, to identify possible sites - a decision that angered Jones and Carper.
"If they can afford a consultant, then maybe they have too much money," Jones said Tuesday.
Last month, Jones said he would not reappoint health board President Dr. Steven Artz when the physician's term expires June 30. Artz has served on the health board for more than 20 years.
Jones wants the health department to move to the third floor of the city-owned Morris Square building beside Appalachian Power Park. City Manager David Molgaard plans to tout that proposal during the health board's regular meeting Thursday afternoon.
Health board members have a list of six proposed sites for the move, and it doesn't include Morris Square. Board members say the former warehouse doesn't have adequate parking, and the third-floor space wouldn't be accessible to the public.
The health department provides everything from flu shots to exams.
Jones sent a city employee to the health department building on Lee Street to count parking spaces Tuesday afternoon. Health officials said the department needs 85 parking spots at its new location.
Jones said the department has only 20 parking spaces now.
Health department administrators said the agency has 59 spaces (20 at the front of the building and 39 behind). The department also leases another 25 spaces at the city-owned parking garage across the street.
"I'm not sure [Jones] has an understanding of all the good things the health department is doing," Isaac said. "I just don't know where this is coming from and why we can't work this out."
The health department expects to spend up to $6 million on the move.
Charleston council members will take a final vote on the proposed 2008-09 budget - which is expected to include the $100,000 health department funding cut - at 6 p.m. Thursday. The health board meeting starts at 4:30 p.m.
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Re: Danny Jones Out of Control
Maybe Jones wants that $100,000 to pass out in raises to important City employees.
And "WOW", the KC Library Director makes $95,000 per year.
That must sure be an important job.
Wonder what he does, .......... grade book reports maybe?
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Tuesday March 18, 2008
Manager asks county for $15,000 raise
by Matthew Thompson
Daily Mail staff
Kanawha County Manager Brent Pauley is asking the County Commission for a $15,549 merit raise.
Pauley said the increase would make his pay more competitive with people in similar local positions.
Currently, Pauley makes $94,451 a year. The pay raise would bump him up to $110,000
Pauley has been county manager since March 2005.
"It's a very challenging job and it takes a certain knack of skills to perform it," Pauley said. "When you look at my three-year tenure, we have accomplished a lot of things."
The commission plans to decide the issue during a Thursday meeting. If approved, the pay raise will take effect when the next fiscal year begins July 1.
County Commission President Kent Carper said he supports Pauley's request. Carper said Pauley has done good work for the county.
Carper said Pauley asked him about the raise during budget discussions two months ago. Carper asked him to provide a pay summary of people who work in similar positions in the county to establish comparisons.
"I have looked at his salary compared with the Clay Center, Charleston Area Alliance, City of Charleston and others in the area," Carper said. "I support this."
One of Pauley's counterparts, Charleston City Manager David Molgaard, makes about $125,000 a year.
Other pay comparisons included Yeager Airport Director Rick Atkinson, who makes $98,000, Kanawha County Library Director Alan Engelbert, who makes $95,000, and Charleston Area Alliance President Matt Ballard, who makes about $106,000.
http://www.dailymail.com/News/Kanawha/200803180197
And "WOW", the KC Library Director makes $95,000 per year.
That must sure be an important job.
Wonder what he does, .......... grade book reports maybe?
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Re: Danny Jones Out of Control
Sam,
I got home a short time ago from a day in the city. I mulled this over quite a bit while Loyd played in Earth City etc. If I were a member of the KCHD board I would vote to stay put if at all possible.
If they need new space because their lease isn't renewed, or the space isn't adequate etc., I'd be looking for space outside of the city limits.
Somebody needs to stand up to this whackjob.
I got home a short time ago from a day in the city. I mulled this over quite a bit while Loyd played in Earth City etc. If I were a member of the KCHD board I would vote to stay put if at all possible.
If they need new space because their lease isn't renewed, or the space isn't adequate etc., I'd be looking for space outside of the city limits.
Somebody needs to stand up to this whackjob.
Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense.
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
Re: Danny Jones Out of Control
The only thing I'll say on this is the $100K Jones wants to hold out of their budget, he is not taking away. I read in the paper where he said they would put the money in escrow and once the HD moved, they would put it back in their budget.
My question is, if it's the KANAWHA COUNTY Health Department, why is the city of Charleston putting any money in their budget to begin with?
My question is, if it's the KANAWHA COUNTY Health Department, why is the city of Charleston putting any money in their budget to begin with?
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Re: Danny Jones Out of Control
Aaron wrote:My question is, if it's the KANAWHA COUNTY Health Department, why is the city of Charleston putting any money in their budget to begin with?
DUH, just "check out" bout any School Board's, Town's, City's or County's ...... Budget Expense items ....... and you will surely find a few "illegal" such transfers and/or payments.
But no one really gives a shidt, ........ it is only taxpayer money.
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Re: Danny Jones Out of Control
The government consists of a gang of men who, taking one with another, have no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office.
Re: Danny Jones Out of Control
Ziggy,
I believe he is over-stepping his authority as mayor. Or should the mayor of one city be able to micromanage a county agency?
I believe he is over-stepping his authority as mayor. Or should the mayor of one city be able to micromanage a county agency?
Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense.
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
Re: Danny Jones Out of Control
His "authority" as Mayor, in this instance, is limited to what the City Council decides to do as to his recommendation. If Council approves his request to withhold $100,000 of city $$$$$$ from the Health department, would the City Council, too, be "out of control"?
If the City Council refuses his recommendation, would he still be "out of control"?
It bugs me that folks often, finding themselves in disagreement with John. Q. Officeholder, claim that he/she is "Out of Control". Usually what this means is that said officeholders is just not under the control of the person making the charge.
If the City Council refuses his recommendation, would he still be "out of control"?
It bugs me that folks often, finding themselves in disagreement with John. Q. Officeholder, claim that he/she is "Out of Control". Usually what this means is that said officeholders is just not under the control of the person making the charge.
The government consists of a gang of men who, taking one with another, have no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office.
Re: Danny Jones Out of Control
ziggy wrote:His "authority" as Mayor, in this instance, is limited to what the City Council decides to do as to his recommendation. If Council approves his request to withhold $100,000 of city $$$$$$ from the Health department, would the City Council, too, be "out of control"?
If the City Council refuses his recommendation, would he still be "out of control"?
It bugs me that folks often, finding themselves in disagreement with John. Q. Officeholder, claim that he/she is "Out of Control". Usually what this means is that said officeholders is just not under the control of the person making the charge.
Yes, he is still out of control, Ziggy. The fact he has a City Council unwilling or unable to reign him in does nothing to alter that fact.
Tell me, what of value has Danny Jones done for that city? He's hired more cops, but are the streets any safer? Would Mrs. Ziggy be comfortable parking in the Town Center Mall garage after dark? Would you want your grandchildren there on a Saturday night?
He's acting like a despot. His attitude is, he wants the health department out now, and he wants them to go where he has told them to go. They aren't catering to his whims in a timely fashion and so now he's decided to launch a full scale attack on them.
The board of the Kanawha County Health Department has responsibilities to people other than the Mayor of Charleston and to citizens who reside in outside of the city limits. He's trying to bully them out of real estate he does not own for a private developer so he can generate more revenue to nonprofits as he sees fit. Give me a break.
He's trying to force that agency to sell its real estate and use all, or nearly all, of the proceeds to finance the move to rental space that doesn't meet the needs of the agency and the population it serves. This isn't the only reason I call him out of control. My opinion that Jones is out of control is based upon a number of factors which include, but are not limited to, his doubling the outrageous tax on nonresidents, his order to install tack strips on walls in a city park, and more.
Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense.
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
Re: Danny Jones Out of Control
Stephanie wrote:ziggy wrote:His "authority" as Mayor, in this instance, is limited to what the City Council decides to do as to his recommendation. If Council approves his request to withhold $100,000 of city $$$$$$ from the Health department, would the City Council, too, be "out of control"?
If the City Council refuses his recommendation, would he still be "out of control"?
It bugs me that folks often, finding themselves in disagreement with John. Q. Officeholder, claim that he/she is "Out of Control". Usually what this means is that said officeholders is just not under the control of the person making the charge.
Yes, he is still out of control, Ziggy. The fact he has a City Council unwilling or unable to reign him in does nothing to alter that fact.
So if he is "out of control", then whose control should he be within, but isn't?
Only if he said something like, "To hell with City Council. I'm going to run this town as I damn well please", and then proceeded to do so, would he be "out of control".
Btw, I do not want to see the city withhold $100,000 from the Health Department to force it to act on a matter not related to its charge as a health agency.
But I still have a problem with your "He's out of control" charge. Simply being "wrong" on an issue- or on several issues- does not mean that one is "out of control". It seems to me that Mayor Jones is very much in control- much to the chagrin of some people.
The government consists of a gang of men who, taking one with another, have no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office.
Re: Danny Jones Out of Control
So your disagreement with me is my choice of words describing his behavior? I say he is out of control because he repeatedly oversteps his authority. The fact he gets away with it doesn't make him "in control".
I'll grant you this, he obviously is in control of the City Council.
I'll grant you this, he obviously is in control of the City Council.
Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense.
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
Re: Danny Jones Out of Control
How has he overstepped his authority? Is it overstepping to recommend to City Council that it do this or that?
Granted, the City Council may allow him more authority than you or I would like.
But if they allow him that authority, then he has not overstepped. He has simply exercised the authority allowed him.
Granted, the City Council may allow him more authority than you or I would like.
But if they allow him that authority, then he has not overstepped. He has simply exercised the authority allowed him.
The government consists of a gang of men who, taking one with another, have no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office.
Re: Danny Jones Out of Control
Ziggy,
I don't think that is all there is to the matter. For example, the tax on nonresidents working in the city will likely face a court challenge at some point. Many believe if challenged it will be struck down, myself included. Also, your contention is he is advising the council, I don't see him as an advising anybody. He doesn't operate that way. He is a bully, he strong-arms people, the way he is attempting to strong-arm the health department now.
I don't think that is all there is to the matter. For example, the tax on nonresidents working in the city will likely face a court challenge at some point. Many believe if challenged it will be struck down, myself included. Also, your contention is he is advising the council, I don't see him as an advising anybody. He doesn't operate that way. He is a bully, he strong-arms people, the way he is attempting to strong-arm the health department now.
Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense.
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
Re: Danny Jones Out of Control
Stephanie wrote:Ziggy,
I don't think that is all there is to the matter. For example, the tax on nonresidents working in the city will likely face a court challenge at some point. Many believe if challenged it will be struck down, myself included.
News Flash, Stephanie. The Users Fee has already been challenged- and upheld. It was challenged by South Charleston resident Thornton Cooper, a lawyer who worked in Charletson, and who was charged the "User's Fee" via payroll deduction by his employer. He lost that case.
In summary, this Court affirms the decision of the circuit court insofar as it upheld the “user fee” as a fee and not a tax and concluded that the City of Charleston had the authority to enact such a fee under applicable State statutes.
http://www.state.wv.us/wvsca/Docs/Fall05/32612.htm .
Btw, Thornton Cooper is now a Democratic candidate for Congress.
Also, your contention is he is advising the council, I don't see him as an advising anybody. He doesn't operate that way. He is a bully, he strong-arms people, the way he is attempting to strong-arm the health department now.
Well, if you have evidence of that, let's see it. So far he has asked Council to withheld funds from the Health Department. If Council agrees to do that, then the City of Charleston, and not just Mayor Jones, will have "strong-armed" the Health Department.
The government consists of a gang of men who, taking one with another, have no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office.
Re: Danny Jones Out of Control
Stephanie wrote:Ziggy,
I don't think that is all there is to the matter. For example, the tax on nonresidents working in the city will likely face a court challenge at some point. Many believe if challenged it will be struck down, myself included. Also, your contention is he is advising the council, I don't see him as an advising anybody. He doesn't operate that way. He is a bully, he strong-arms people, the way he is attempting to strong-arm the health department now.
The Charleston user fee has already been challenged in court and upheld. If I'm not mistaken the WVSC decided not to hear the case. As a result, Huntington has since debated instituting a user fee.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
JFK-1960
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