Teacher's Union doesn't support better teachers

Once again, you agree with me.

I don't think it is only the NEA though. I think that has become the mentality of ALL unions. Unions used to mean good mean doing a hard days work for a fair days pay. Now all it stands for is protecting the few, the lazy, the worthless.

And unfortunately, some teachers fit right in there.

I'm not sure I agree with that. My experience has been that is the case with unions that represent public employees. I can't say the same about the Laborer's Union, for example. That union my exhusband belonged to the first few years we were married. They were extremely political and more like organized crime than anything else. Tons of graft and corruption, payoffs and kickbacks, enforcers etc.

The union at W&I Hospital didn't seem interested in protecting incompetent nurses, techs, and others. They were all about $$$$.

What you didn't mention was a union that wanted to protect the workers and knew part of that was ensuring the company was stable and (gasp) profitable. Those don't exist any longer, at least not that I can see. Unions today, teachers included, are more interested in how much blood they can suck before the rock is dry then anything else. Well, except for lousy employees. There's those.

Interestingly - it seems like there are more things we agree on in this issue than what we disagree on. That's progress.

Steph - I hadn't realized that there are only 2 of us girls on here....says something that it takes only 2 of us to balance the rest of "them."

How does that little ditty go................

A woman has to be twice as good as a man just to be considered half as good. Fortunately, it isn't difficult.

wvsasha wrote:Interestingly - it seems like there are more things we agree on in this issue than what we disagree on. That's progress.

Steph - I hadn't realized that there are only 2 of us girls on here....says something that it takes only 2 of us to balance the rest of "them."

Yeppers it's just you and me. We have all these fine male specimens all to ourselves! Life is good.

It's not that good, Steph. I have been to the pizza parlor more often than to the gym lately.......

Is there a general trend of male majorities on political forums? I seem to recall there was one on the past, grossly inferior website set up by some Picayune weekly in Kanawha County.

Gym? What's a gym?

Pass the pizza!

i think I just bought a house.....

Someone wanna buy me a drink or some pizza????

Congratulations Sasha.

wvsasha wrote:
So - while they aren't competely certified yet.....they are taking classes and learning about the field, constantly improving their abilities to be effective in the classroom and giving students the latest in the field of study.

DUH, I would call that "doing your Student Teaching before you have been prepared to do your Student Teaching ".

Sasha, how can they effectively explain or teach "the latest in the field of study" .... when they are INCAPABLE of explaining and teaching "the basic rudiments in that field of study"?

Sasha, I take offense ..... at anyone ..... who even remotely suggests that "any teacher" who takes a 6 or 12 week CRASH COURSE in the Sciences ...... is just as good and effective Teacher of Science as I am who spent 4 years earning my Science Degrees.

wvsasha wrote:That could be an interesting thought - would you want a biology teacher who hasn't taken any up-dating classes for 25+years or someone who is working on certification and learning about their field from the professors who are in the trenches and learning about updated and new information in that field for your child? An argument could be made both ways there.

But that "updated and new information in that field" can not be found in the Textbook that is being used by the students.

And if that 25+years teacher is worth a damn, he/she will be keeping abreast of the "updated and new information in that field" ...... and they shouldn't need a College Professor to explain it to them.

College Professors aren't required to attend Universities to learn "updated and new information in that field" ...... are they?

And Universitiy Professors aren't required to attend ..... to attend, .... to attend ...

Why hell no because there ain't no place for them to attend.

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Congrats Sasha! I hope everything works out and you are settled before the all important start of the school year for your children!

Aaron,

I must say that the union at W&I Hospital was very concerned about both employee and patient safety. They were very concerned with their own safety, this was back in the days when AIDS was still "new". I'm not sure they placed money over their own safety, but they certainly put it over patient care. I can say that definitively because they walked out on a patient population that they alone had the ability to adequately care for in the region.

SamCogar wrote:
DUH, I would call that "doing your Student Teaching before you have been prepared to do your Student Teaching ".

ok - sorry i wasn't clear. They are already certified TEACHERS and have completed their student teaching for a different certification. They already have the teacher courses on classroom management and experience. They are simply adding a certification.

Sasha, I take offense ..... at anyone ..... who even remotely suggests that "any teacher" who takes a 6 or 12 week CRASH COURSE in the Sciences ...... is just as good and effective Teacher of Science as I am who spent 4 years earning my Science Degrees.

no crash courses - it still takes them a couple of years to get the classes completed. They already have the rest of the credits for the degree - they are just taking the subject area courses - the sciences, the histories, english/literature, whatever. They don't have to repeat the electives and teacher courses for the most part.

And if that 25+years teacher is worth a damn, he/she will be keeping abreast of the "updated and new information in that field" ...... and they shouldn't need a College Professor to explain it to them.

and that was my point. those teachers who aren't worth a damn don't keep up. i am sick of spoon-feeding teachers their professional development - they need to take responsibility for their own improvement and stay abreast of their field.

College Professors aren't required to attend Universities to learn "updated and new information in that field" ...... are they?

one would hope that by dint of where they work they would keep up with the field.

wvsasha wrote:
no crash courses - it still takes them a couple of years to get the classes completed. They already have the rest of the credits for the degree - they are just taking the subject area courses - the sciences, the histories, english/literature, whatever. They don't have to repeat the electives and teacher courses for the most part.

So Sasha, and who is teaching those High School Classes for those "couple of years" while that Teacher is completing the "subject area courses" for Certification in that subject?

Does the School Board and/or Superintendent ...... "hold those jobs open" ...... for said "couple of years" ........ for said Teacher while he/she is completing said "subject area courses"?



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