WV Public Employees would protest this.

ziggy wrote:Non-management Department of Highways workers are hourly.

I completely forgot about the shovel holders association.

TerryRC wrote:Aaron, even when you get to a place where the GPS can communicate, it will only tell you where you are, not were you have been.

Your cell won't even log the time you attempted to make a call if you don't have service.

You're trying to tell me in today's world there is no device in which somone can track time by inputting a start and stop work time!!!

I'm about as techno illiterate as they come and even I know better then that.

You're trying to tell me in today's world there is no device in which somone can track time by inputting a start and stop work time!!!

Offer it up.

Like I said, I have no problem logging in but what do you do if you are in the middle of the Otter Creek Wilderness or surveying the Cacapon for hydrilla somewhere between Wardensville and Great Cacapon?

What good does it do you to log a time and no location to go with it?

TerryRC wrote:You're trying to tell me in today's world there is no device in which somone can track time by inputting a start and stop work time!!!

Offer it up.

Like I said, I have no problem logging in but what do you do if you are in the middle of the Otter Creek Wilderness or surveying the Cacapon for hydrilla somewhere between Wardensville and Great Cacapon?

What good does it do you to log a time and no location to go with it?

Whatever dude.......

Whatever dude.......

So I can log in by cell (if I even have service where I happen to be) and go back to bed if I'm in an area with no GPS coverage?

You basically called me a liar with this phrase, "I'm about as techno illiterate as they come and even I know better then that."

Since you know better, put up or shut up.

I didn't call you a liar.

I said I don't believe you.

I don't.

There's no 'put up' to it.

If I were going to call you a liar I would have called you a liar when you said your Garmin couldn't track you in remote areas of WV even though it uses 24 satellites stragetically positioned around the earth placed there by the DOD and is accurate within 15M and with new Wide Area Augmentation System technology is accurate to within 3m.

But I didn't call you a liar when you stated your Garmin doesn't track you all over WV even though it's tracked all over the Rockeis, the Swiss Alps, the rain forest of South America and every other nook and cranny of Earth, I'm sure you are correct in that it doesn't work in West Virginia.

Whatever dude...

If I were going to call you a liar I would have called you a liar when you said your Garmin couldn't track you in remote areas of WV even though it uses 24 satellites stragetically positioned around the earth placed there by the DOD and is accurate within 15M and with new Wide Area Augmentation System technology is accurate to within 3m.

Come on the road with me sometime, Aaron. I'll prove it to you.

In places where you are in deep valleys, you frequently can't get enough satellites in the sky to properly triangulate.

Not that you would come along - you would rather be ignorant than right.

So what is the system for logging in my time and location when I'm in the Otter Creek wilderness and have poor or no GPS coverage?

Douche.

I don't see what difference it makes whether or not some GPS device can track and log your location. Even if the GPS device determine where you are and when you arrived and when you leave, what's to prevent you from taking along your fishing pole and tackle box and doing a little fishing? How would GPS distinguish between you collecting samples (or whatever it is you do) and just kicking back and reading a good book?

Stephanie wrote:I don't see what difference it makes whether or not some GPS device can track and log your location. Even if the GPS device determine where you are and when you arrived and when you leave, what's to prevent you from taking along your fishing pole and tackle box and doing a little fishing? How would GPS distinguish between you collecting samples (or whatever it is you do) and just kicking back and reading a good book?

Ah, so you are familar with State employees!!!

TerryRC wrote:
If I were going to call you a liar I would have called you a liar when you said your Garmin couldn't track you in remote areas of WV even though it uses 24 satellites stragetically positioned around the earth placed there by the DOD and is accurate within 15M and with new Wide Area Augmentation System technology is accurate to within 3m.

Come on the road with me sometime, Aaron. I'll prove it to you.

In places where you are in deep valleys, you frequently can't get enough satellites in the sky to properly triangulate.

Not that you would come along - you would rather be ignorant than right.

So what is the system for logging in my time and location when I'm in the Otter Creek wilderness and have poor or no GPS coverage?

Douche.

Triangulate??? Garmin says it can pick you up with one satellite.

Perhaps you can explain how a GPS unit can work in the andies or at the bottom of the Grand Canyon but not in Canaan Valley, never mind that I've seen teenagers coming down the mountain on ski's while talking on a cell phone.

So I'm trying to figure out if you got one of them state issued Garmin's that only works on 3 of the satelittes ( ) or if maybe WV put one of them releflective nets up over portions of the state that don't allow the satellite to track remote areas of WV.

Seems to me you got called in your bs and your too childish to admit it.

Stephanie wrote:I don't see what difference it makes whether or not some GPS device can track and log your location. Even if the GPS device determine where you are and when you arrived and when you leave, what's to prevent you from taking along your fishing pole and tackle box and doing a little fishing? How would GPS distinguish between you collecting samples (or whatever it is you do) and just kicking back and reading a good book?

Steph, Terry has turned this string into a "beat around the bush" conversation.

Aaron and I have been "talking" ......... GPS tracking,

and TRC keeps arguing and CHA by "talking" ........ GPS location.

Terry doesn't need a frigging GPS to locate "where he is", ....... GEEEZUS, he knows where he is unless his FUBARed mind got him lost in the woods somewhere.

Stephanie, with GPS location, one ONLY turns their unit "ON" when they want to know the latitude/longitude of their "current location" so that they can either record it or check it relative to their "intended location". Like iffen you find a "good fishing spot" say 40 miles offshore, you record the GPS location. Next week you want to go back there, you just turn on your GPS and watch it as you steer that way or with "hi-buck" ones you just push a "go" button and it will take you there.(autopilot)

With GPS tracking, one's unit is ALWAYS turned "ON", ...... and at a "preset timed interval" (every minute, every 10 minutes, every hour) the GPS unit will do one of two things and I'm not sure which: 1) it will "take a latitude/longitude reading" and transmit that along with its "identity" (serial #, unit #, destination address, etc.) to an overhead satellite which will relay said info back to earth to said "destination address", ....... or, 2) it will transmit its "identity" (serial #, unit #, destination address, etc. like a Cell phone does) to said overhead satellites and if received and relayed by three (3) of them, the latitude/longitude of the GPS unit will then be calculated and recorded. (this is how the "beeper signal" in downed aircraft or life boats/rafts work.)

Either way, the "home base" can track the location of the GPS unit in "real time" or plot its "track" with time and date whenever it wants to.

The best way to hide from a "tracker" is to somehow turn it "off".

cheers

Sam,

I hear what you're saying, but I still fail to see the point.

Look, we all know that there are people who will work very hard to avoid working. I'm sure Terry will admit he has encountered some working for the state. However, being able to have a satellite or some other tracking device tell you the location of an employee really isn't that valuable by itself. Also, I have no doubt that there are remote locations with heavy tree cover that those satellites can't pick up.

No, I say a better solution would be to hire, retain, and promote quality workers in the first place. If you get rid of the dead wood, there isn't any need for GPS tracking devices or hand scanning timeclocks. I don't think Terry is trying to "beat around the bush". I think he's done a very good job of pointing out that no system is fool proof and at some point employers have to have a little confidence in their employees or those employees are of no value.

Stephanie, when will you give it up and realize that your mind and mine and TRC's minds are FUBARed, and that SamCogar knows everything about everything- including about where I didn't live and what my family didn't experience 50 years ago?

LOL

No, no........Sam's a pretty intelligent guy. He's just stubborn, a bit cranky, and very opinionated. I'm stubborn, frequently cranky, and extremely opinionated.

Stephanie wrote:Sam,

I hear what you're saying, but I still fail to see the point.

Look, we all know that there are people who will work very hard to avoid working. I'm sure Terry will admit he has encountered some working for the state. However, being able to have a satellite or some other tracking device tell you the location of an employee really isn't that valuable by itself. Also, I have no doubt that there are remote locations with heavy tree cover that those satellites can't pick up.

No, I say a better solution would be to hire, retain, and promote quality workers in the first place. If you get rid of the dead wood, there isn't any need for GPS tracking devices or hand scanning timeclocks. I don't think Terry is trying to "beat around the bush". I think he's done a very good job of pointing out that no system is fool proof and at some point employers have to have a little confidence in their employees or those employees are of no value.

Well Stephanie, until you get around to putting your "better solution" into practice, ....... ya better be using "GPS tracking" to try to keep them a wee bit honest.

cheers