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WV Public Employees would protest this.
by SamCogar on Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:17 am
Fingerprint Scanners Replace Punch Clocks at Workplaces
NEW YORK — It's happening at Dunkin' Donuts, at Hilton hotels, even at Marine Corps bases: Employees are starting and ending their days by pressing a hand or finger to a scanner that logs the precise time of their arrival and departure, and the information is automatically reflected in payroll records.
Manufacturers say these biometric devices improve efficiency and streamline payroll operations. Employers big and small buy them with the dual goals of keeping workers honest and automating outdated record-keeping systems that rely on paper time sheets.
The new systems have raised complaints, however, from some workers who see the efforts to track their movements as excessive or creepy.
"They don't even have to hire someone to harass you anymore. The machine can do it for them," said Ed Ott, executive director of the New York City Central Labor Council of the AFL-CIO. "The palm print thing really grabs people as a step too far."
Ingersoll Rand Security Technologies, a leading manufacturer of hand scanners based in Campbell, Calif., said it has sold at least 150,000 of the devices to Dunkin' Donuts and McDonald's franchises, Hilton hotels and to Marine Corps bases, who use them to track civilian hours.
Protests over using palm scanners to log employee time have been especially loud in New York City, where officials are spending $410 million to install an automated attendance tracking system that may eventually be used by 160,000 city workers.
Scores of civil servants who are members of Local 375 of the Civil Service Technical Guild rallied Tuesday against a plan to add the city medical examiner's office to the list of 17 city agencies which already have the scanners in place.
The scanners have rankled draftsmen, planners and architects in the city's Parks Department, which began using them last year.
"Psychologically, I think it has had a huge impact on the work force here because it is demeaning and because it's a system based on mistrust," said Ricardo Hinkle, a landscape architect who designs city parks.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,342374,00.html
NEW YORK — It's happening at Dunkin' Donuts, at Hilton hotels, even at Marine Corps bases: Employees are starting and ending their days by pressing a hand or finger to a scanner that logs the precise time of their arrival and departure, and the information is automatically reflected in payroll records.
Manufacturers say these biometric devices improve efficiency and streamline payroll operations. Employers big and small buy them with the dual goals of keeping workers honest and automating outdated record-keeping systems that rely on paper time sheets.
The new systems have raised complaints, however, from some workers who see the efforts to track their movements as excessive or creepy.
"They don't even have to hire someone to harass you anymore. The machine can do it for them," said Ed Ott, executive director of the New York City Central Labor Council of the AFL-CIO. "The palm print thing really grabs people as a step too far."
Ingersoll Rand Security Technologies, a leading manufacturer of hand scanners based in Campbell, Calif., said it has sold at least 150,000 of the devices to Dunkin' Donuts and McDonald's franchises, Hilton hotels and to Marine Corps bases, who use them to track civilian hours.
Protests over using palm scanners to log employee time have been especially loud in New York City, where officials are spending $410 million to install an automated attendance tracking system that may eventually be used by 160,000 city workers.
Scores of civil servants who are members of Local 375 of the Civil Service Technical Guild rallied Tuesday against a plan to add the city medical examiner's office to the list of 17 city agencies which already have the scanners in place.
The scanners have rankled draftsmen, planners and architects in the city's Parks Department, which began using them last year.
"Psychologically, I think it has had a huge impact on the work force here because it is demeaning and because it's a system based on mistrust," said Ricardo Hinkle, a landscape architect who designs city parks.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,342374,00.html
Re: WV Public Employees would protest this.
by Aaron on Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:14 am
It prevents payroll fraud and it works.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
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Re: WV Public Employees would protest this.
by SamCogar on Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:29 am
Who knows, it might prevent some of those "coal mining disasters and deaths".
Management could easily track and monitor the activity of the Coal Mine Inspectors as to when or if they "showed up on the job" ....... and how long they were there.
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Management could easily track and monitor the activity of the Coal Mine Inspectors as to when or if they "showed up on the job" ....... and how long they were there.
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Re: WV Public Employees would protest this.
by TerryRC on Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:52 am
How do you implement it for people that spend days at a time in the field?
Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.
-Sir John Harrington
-Sir John Harrington
Re: WV Public Employees would protest this.
by Aaron on Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:40 am
TerryRC wrote:How do you implement it for people that spend days at a time in the field?
Have them log in via a personal computer or handheld object that links directly to a base terminal.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
JFK-1960
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Re: WV Public Employees would protest this.
by shermangeneral on Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:56 am
hey guys usol truckers are way ahead of you guys.
They know where we are, how fast and what direction we are going, what gear, engine rpm, and how many miles we done drove.
Etc.
Plus how much idle time and our mpg for the day and if we had any hard brake episodes.
So if you really want big bro watching then come drive a truck.
They know where we are, how fast and what direction we are going, what gear, engine rpm, and how many miles we done drove.
Etc.
Plus how much idle time and our mpg for the day and if we had any hard brake episodes.
So if you really want big bro watching then come drive a truck.
Re: WV Public Employees would protest this.
by SamCogar on Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:36 am
Aaron wrote:TerryRC wrote:How do you implement it for people that spend days at a time in the field?
Have them log in via a personal computer or handheld object that links directly to a base terminal.
Right on, big boy, ........ make them carry a GPS unit.
Just like those trucks that deliver to your facility, ........ the Dispatcher knows where that truck is 24-7.
Aaron, there is a Mac Truck, etc. repair garage over at Jane Lew off I-79 and one day the owner got a call and was asked what the problem was with a "so n' so" truck that had been there for two days and the garage man said he didn't know, that truck wasn't at his garage being worked on.
Turned out, the driver of that truck had been sitting for two days right across the Interstate from that garage ........... at a Titty Bar, ...... enjoying himself.
cheers
Re: WV Public Employees would protest this.
by TerryRC on Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:37 am
Right on, big boy, ........ make them carry a GPS unit.
Just like those trucks that deliver to your facility, ........ the Dispatcher knows where that truck is 24-7.
I carry a Garmin GPS, a PDA w/ Bluetooth and wireless and a cell. In many of the places I do work I can't get a signal on any of them due to terrain and/or remoteness.
Keep trying, though.
Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.
-Sir John Harrington
-Sir John Harrington
Re: WV Public Employees would protest this.
by Aaron on Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:20 am
TerryRC wrote:
Right on, big boy, ........ make them carry a GPS unit.
Just like those trucks that deliver to your facility, ........ the Dispatcher knows where that truck is 24-7.
I carry a Garmin GPS, a PDA w/ Bluetooth and wireless and a cell. In many of the places I do work I can't get a signal on any of them due to terrain and/or remoteness.
Keep trying, though.
Just because it doesn't get service back to a terminal at all times doesn't mean data can't be input, stored and updated back to the terminal once service is reached.
Keep trying.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
JFK-1960
JFK-1960
Re: WV Public Employees would protest this.
by SamCogar on Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:09 am
TerryRC wrote:I carry a Garmin GPS, ........... In many of the places I do work I can't get a signal on any of them due to terrain and/or remoteness.
And where would that be, TRC, ...... back inside a coal mine, ....... a deep cave ...... or a horrendously large rock outcropping?
For less than $100, you can get a pocket-sized gadget that will tell you exactly where you are on Earth at any moment. As long as you have a GPS receiver and a clear view of the sky, you'll never be lost again. http://www.howstuffworks.com/gps.htm
I guess if you try hard ....... and stay in one place, ...... you can keep hidden from those 4 satellites.
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Re: WV Public Employees would protest this.
by ziggy on Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:24 am
It can be as simple as summer and winter.
We sometimes visit a campground in Upshur County. When the leaves are off, the only way to hide from those GPS satellites is to go inside a structure. But once the leaf canopy pops out in the spring, we gotta go down the road a couple miles to open skies to get a GPS reading.
We sometimes visit a campground in Upshur County. When the leaves are off, the only way to hide from those GPS satellites is to go inside a structure. But once the leaf canopy pops out in the spring, we gotta go down the road a couple miles to open skies to get a GPS reading.
The government consists of a gang of men who, taking one with another, have no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office.
Re: WV Public Employees would protest this.
by TerryRC on Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:16 am
Aaron, even when you get to a place where the GPS can communicate, it will only tell you where you are, not were you have been.
Your cell won't even log the time you attempted to make a call if you don't have service.
As for you, Sam, I can think of a hundred outdoor locations in this state where this is the case. Not one of them is in a coal mine.
Even in the winter I can't get a signal of any sort around the Anthony to Neola area. It gets peculiar near places like Edray and Ieager.
Not all government employees stay in fancy hotels while on the road. I prefer to work while there is light and sleep under the tailgate. Saves the state money and gets me home quicker. It does mean overnighting in some out-of-the way places, however.
Your cell won't even log the time you attempted to make a call if you don't have service.
As for you, Sam, I can think of a hundred outdoor locations in this state where this is the case. Not one of them is in a coal mine.
Even in the winter I can't get a signal of any sort around the Anthony to Neola area. It gets peculiar near places like Edray and Ieager.
Not all government employees stay in fancy hotels while on the road. I prefer to work while there is light and sleep under the tailgate. Saves the state money and gets me home quicker. It does mean overnighting in some out-of-the way places, however.
Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.
-Sir John Harrington
-Sir John Harrington
Re: WV Public Employees would protest this.
by TerryRC on Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:17 am
Oh, for the record, I would have no problem logging in and out, be it by time clock or other ACCURATE method.
Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.
-Sir John Harrington
-Sir John Harrington
Re: WV Public Employees would protest this.
by Aaron on Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:29 am
TerryRC wrote:Oh, for the record, I would have no problem logging in and out, be it by time clock or other ACCURATE method.
It's not like the states going to dock your pay, right TC! Do they even have hourly people?
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
JFK-1960
JFK-1960
Re: WV Public Employees would protest this.
by ziggy on Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:55 pm
Non-management Department of Highways workers are hourly.
The government consists of a gang of men who, taking one with another, have no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office.
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