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St. Lucie teacher has students vote on whether 5-year-old ca
by Stephanie on Tue May 27, 2008 6:57 am
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/may/23/st-lucie-teacher-has-class-vote-whether-5-year-old/
This is a picture of Alex.
By Colleen Wixon (Contact)
Originally published 01:50 p.m., May 23, 2008
Updated 04:30 p.m., May 23, 2008
PORT ST. LUCIE — Melissa Barton said she is considering legal action after her son's kindergarten teacher led his classmates to vote him out of class.
After each classmate was allowed to say what they didn't like about Barton's 5-year-old son, Alex, his Morningside Elementary teacher said they were going to take a vote, Barton said.
By a 14 to 2 margin, the class voted him out of the class.
Barton said her son is in the process of being diagnosed with Aspberger's, a type of high-functioning autism. Alex began the testing process in February for an official diagnosis under the suggestion of Morningside Principal Marsha Cully.
Alex has had disciplinary issues because of his disabilities, Barton said. The school and district has met with Barton and her son to create an individual education plan, she said. His teacher, Wendy Portillo, has attended these meetings, she said.
Barton said after the vote, Alex's teacher asked him how he felt.
"He said, 'I feel sad,'" she said.
Alex left the classroom and spent the rest of the day in the nurse's office, she said.
Barton said when she came to pick up her son at the school on Wednesday, he was leaving the nurse's office.
"He was shaken up," she said. Barton said the nurse told her to talk with the child's teacher, who told her what happened.
Alex hasn't been back to school since then, and Barton said he won't be returning. He starts screaming when she brings him with her to drop off his sibling at school.
Thursday night, his mother heard him saying "I'm not special."
Barton said Alex is reliving the incident.
They said he was "disgusting" and "annoying," Barton said.
"He was incredibly upset," Barton said. "The only friend he has ever made in his life was forced to do this."
The child's mother filed a complaint with the school resource officer, who investigated the matter, said Port St. Lucie spokeswoman Michelle Steele said. But the state attorney's office concluded the matter did not meet the criteria for emotional child abuse, so no criminal charges will be filed, Steele said. Port St. Lucie Police is no longer investigating, but is documenting the complaint, she said.
Steele said the teacher confirmed the incident did occur.
St. Lucie School's spokeswoman Janice Karst said the district is investigating the incident, but could not make any further comment.
Vern Melvin, Department of Children and Families circuit administrator, confirmed the agency is investigating an allegation of abuse at Morningside, but said he could not elaborate.
This is a picture of Alex.
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-Ron Paul
-Ron Paul
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-Ron Paul
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Re: St. Lucie teacher has students vote on whether 5-year-old ca
by Aaron on Tue May 27, 2008 8:35 am
This woman has NO business teaching.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
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Re: St. Lucie teacher has students vote on whether 5-year-old ca
by SamCogar on Wed May 28, 2008 3:31 am
Aaron wrote:This woman has NO business teaching.
YES, you are right.
There ain't no women or men Public School teachers that have any business trying to teach a class of students anything with such a child in their class.
He starts screaming when she brings him with her to drop off his sibling at school.
Thursday night, his mother heard him saying "I'm not special."
Now that kid is MOST ASSUREDLY ...... extra, super, duper "special" when he is home and/or with his Mother ...... but he sure as hell is not "special" when in the classroom with other children.
So, ..... hell yes, vote that little screaming, fit throwing brat out of their Class.
And keep him out ......... until he learns that he is "just another student" ........ without any SPECIAL rights and priviledges.
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Re: St. Lucie teacher has students vote on whether 5-year-old ca
by Aaron on Wed May 28, 2008 4:35 am
Alex has had disciplinary issues because of his disabilities, Barton said. The school and district has met with Barton and her son to create an individual education plan, she said. His teacher, Wendy Portillo, has attended these meetings, she said.
She should have said then that she didn't want him in class Sam as is her right. That was the time and place to take action, not in a classroom in front of other students.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
JFK-1960
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Re: St. Lucie teacher has students vote on whether 5-year-old ca
by SamCogar on Wed May 28, 2008 6:20 am
Aaron wrote:Alex has had disciplinary issues because of his disabilities, Barton said. The school and district has met with Barton and her son to create an individual education plan, she said. His teacher, Wendy Portillo, has attended these meetings, she said.
She should have said then that she didn't want him in class Sam as is her right. That was the time and place to take action, not in a classroom in front of other students.
Well "DUH", maybe she did Aaron, ...... but you sure as hell ain't going to read about it ....... because that would be "restricted information" not to be divulged by any party attending said meetings.
By the way Aaron, did you consider this statement:
Barton said her son is in the process of being diagnosed with Aspberger's, a type of high-functioning autism.
"being diagnosed with", ....... GIMME A BREAK.
Other than a Quack, .... what Doctor first picks a "disorder" before the diagnosis begins?
Here Aaron, just why would there be "disciplinary issues" with one afflicted with Asperger's Disorder?
In Asperger's Disorder, affected individuals are characterized by social isolation and eccentric behavior in childhood. There are impairments in two-sided social interaction and non-verbal communication. Though grammatical, their speech may sound peculiar due to abnormalities of inflection and a repetitive pattern. Clumsiness may be prominent both in their articulation and gross motor behavior. They usually have a circumscribed area of interest which usually leaves no space for more age appropriate, common interests. http://www.aspergers.com/aspclin.htm
Any kid that prefers "social isolation" ain't about to be claiming "I'm not special."
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Re: St. Lucie teacher has students vote on whether 5-year-old ca
by Aaron on Wed May 28, 2008 6:26 am
Even so Sam, she had no business letting 6 year olds vote a kid out of class. It's a school, not a Survival tribunal. No matter how you slice it, she was wrong in doing that.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
JFK-1960
JFK-1960
Re: St. Lucie teacher has students vote on whether 5-year-old ca
by Stephanie on Wed May 28, 2008 6:42 am
For crying out loud, Sam! Sometimes I'm absolutely convinced your brain just isn't wired properly!
The boy is screaming NOW he doesn't want to go to school. Why? Because he was humiliated, rejected, and tormented by his TEACHER!
Another thing.......why is it you believe the teacher has the right to decide she doesn't want a particular student in her class when 99 times out of 100 the child's parents have no say so over which teacher their student is placed with?
If you think the behavior this teacher ADMITS to is acceptable there just may be no hope for you. Remember, the teacher is the so-called professional and an adult. Alex is a little boy younger than the age of reason. If this was her solution to her problems with this youngster she has no business in any position of power or authority involving any living creature more intelligent than a gnat.
Finally, plenty of times doctors will tell you what it is they think you've got before all the testing is complete. They use what symptoms the patient has and determine what tests they should run in order to prove or disprove their initial diagnosis. When my daughter contracted mono a couple years back, the doctor said, "You have mono. We have to do a throat culture to rule out strep and a blood test to prove mono."
Likewise, when my good friend Neil was finally diagnosed with MS, an ER doctor looked at all his medical records, did a quick exam and said, "I believe you have MS. We have to run these tests to prove it" Now his GP and the litany of specialists he'd seen for the previous 8 years all had their own little theories and ran tests which disproved them.
The boy is screaming NOW he doesn't want to go to school. Why? Because he was humiliated, rejected, and tormented by his TEACHER!
Another thing.......why is it you believe the teacher has the right to decide she doesn't want a particular student in her class when 99 times out of 100 the child's parents have no say so over which teacher their student is placed with?
If you think the behavior this teacher ADMITS to is acceptable there just may be no hope for you. Remember, the teacher is the so-called professional and an adult. Alex is a little boy younger than the age of reason. If this was her solution to her problems with this youngster she has no business in any position of power or authority involving any living creature more intelligent than a gnat.
Finally, plenty of times doctors will tell you what it is they think you've got before all the testing is complete. They use what symptoms the patient has and determine what tests they should run in order to prove or disprove their initial diagnosis. When my daughter contracted mono a couple years back, the doctor said, "You have mono. We have to do a throat culture to rule out strep and a blood test to prove mono."
Likewise, when my good friend Neil was finally diagnosed with MS, an ER doctor looked at all his medical records, did a quick exam and said, "I believe you have MS. We have to run these tests to prove it" Now his GP and the litany of specialists he'd seen for the previous 8 years all had their own little theories and ran tests which disproved them.
Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense.
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
Re: St. Lucie teacher has students vote on whether 5-year-old ca
by SamCogar on Wed May 28, 2008 7:01 am
Aaron wrote:Even so Sam, she had no business letting 6 year olds vote a kid out of class. It's a school, not a Survival tribunal. No matter how you slice it, she was wrong in doing that.
Well Aaron, what else was she to do?
His teacher, Wendy Portillo, has attended these meetings, she said.
Apparently all ..... "these meetings" weren't accomplishing a damn thing .... and her and the other students were sending a message that "enough was enough" and they forced the Administration to act.
There should be more teachers like her and then maybe there would be some positive changes made in the education of the students.
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Re: St. Lucie teacher has students vote on whether 5-year-old ca
by Aaron on Wed May 28, 2008 7:39 am
So you think the only way for a teacher to get something done because of adminstrative issues in the school system is for a teacher to humilate a kid.
I think I'll stand by my first statement.
I think I'll stand by my first statement.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
JFK-1960
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Re: St. Lucie teacher has students vote on whether 5-year-old ca
by SamCogar on Wed May 28, 2008 8:03 am
Stephanie wrote:For crying out loud, Sam! Sometimes I'm absolutely convinced your brain just isn't wired properly!
Properly for what, …… for being a bleeding heart lefty liberal, maybe?
Of course it is wired right. It is wired as a male’s brain is supposed to be “wired”, ….. wired for making logical decisions concerning all parties or things involved or affected by said decisions.
It is not wired to make girly-men and feminine decisions whereby emotional decisions take precedence over logical decisions. Whereby said decisions favor the few ….. at the expense of the many.
Stephanie wrote:The boy is screaming NOW …..
GEEEZUS, the boy was screaming then, in the Classroom, creating a disciplinary problem, because he wasn’t treated as “something SPECIAL” and getting his way in everything he wanted.
Stephanie wrote:…… he doesn't want to go to school. Why? Because he was humiliated, rejected, and tormented by his TEACHER!
Well Steph, if that kid is all of that, ……. then he is pretty damn smart for being autistic and afflicted with Asperger's Disorder, don’tja think.
Here Steph, take another look at that little darling’s picture, to wit:
Tell me Steph, does he look autistic to you, …. look like someone that prefers social isolation?
Do autistic children smile like that whenever they are getting their picture taken?
Or does he look like someone that really likes and expects to be treated SPECIAL?
Steph, you are worried about one (1) brat in the Class, …. what about the other 16 students? Is letting one (1) kid do whatever it wants to ...... just so it won’t cry and throw a fit …… more important than 16 other students getting an education?
Steph, would you want your boy in that Class with that kid?
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Re: St. Lucie teacher has students vote on whether 5-year-old ca
by Stephanie on Wed May 28, 2008 8:12 am
Sam,
I have a nephew diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome. He doesn't look any different from any other 13 y/o He was absolutely adorable at 6, he looked angelic.
He is very shy, introverted. He was a behavior problem when he was younger because he would shut down and literally hide when teachers attempted to force him to speak before the entire class or play with 15 other kids. Should he have been voted out too?
Lemme ask you a question.......would you want one of your grandchildren in the classroom of that teacher at 5 or 6 years old?
I homeschool my son to keep him away from cruel, incompetent teachers like this wretch. I also homeschool him to keep him away from little darlings I'd prefer he not associate with. I am very discriminating.
I have a nephew diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome. He doesn't look any different from any other 13 y/o He was absolutely adorable at 6, he looked angelic.
He is very shy, introverted. He was a behavior problem when he was younger because he would shut down and literally hide when teachers attempted to force him to speak before the entire class or play with 15 other kids. Should he have been voted out too?
Lemme ask you a question.......would you want one of your grandchildren in the classroom of that teacher at 5 or 6 years old?
I homeschool my son to keep him away from cruel, incompetent teachers like this wretch. I also homeschool him to keep him away from little darlings I'd prefer he not associate with. I am very discriminating.
Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense.
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
Re: St. Lucie teacher has students vote on whether 5-year-old ca
by SamCogar on Wed May 28, 2008 8:17 am
Aaron wrote:So you think the only way for a teacher to get something done because of adminstrative issues in the school system is for a teacher to humilate a kid.
Well, she can't spank his ass, can she.
Aaron wrote:I think I'll stand by my first statement.
And you don't really give a damn about the other 16 students in that Class, ... RIGHT?
Screw them, ..... they can all attend Summer School and do "make-up work" so they will be prepared to enter the next Grade leveL, ........ RIGHT?
Or maybe all 16 of them will be "lucky" and move to WV this summer .... and they will all be ready and adequately prepared for entering their next Gade level.
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Re: St. Lucie teacher has students vote on whether 5-year-old ca
by SamCogar on Wed May 28, 2008 8:25 am
Stephanie wrote:
He is very shy, introverted. He was a behavior problem when he was younger because he would shut down and literally hide when ....
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Re: St. Lucie teacher has students vote on whether 5-year-old ca
by SamCogar on Wed May 28, 2008 8:43 am
Stephanie,
The wife has two granddaughters who are both completing the 8th grade this year.
One attends the Braxton County Middle School and the other one attends a Middle School near Denver, Colorado.
To celebrate the end of the School year and their graduation/promotion to the 9th Grade in High School, each of their Classes are going on a trip.
The 8th Graders at BCMS are taking a 1 day trip this week to Cedar Creek State Park in Gilmer County.
The 8th Graders in Colorado are taking a 12 day trip, leaving yesterday for France, on the continent of Europe.
Do you think either of those trips will be of any value in their acquiring an education?
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The wife has two granddaughters who are both completing the 8th grade this year.
One attends the Braxton County Middle School and the other one attends a Middle School near Denver, Colorado.
To celebrate the end of the School year and their graduation/promotion to the 9th Grade in High School, each of their Classes are going on a trip.
The 8th Graders at BCMS are taking a 1 day trip this week to Cedar Creek State Park in Gilmer County.
The 8th Graders in Colorado are taking a 12 day trip, leaving yesterday for France, on the continent of Europe.
Do you think either of those trips will be of any value in their acquiring an education?
.
Re: St. Lucie teacher has students vote on whether 5-year-old ca
by Aaron on Wed May 28, 2008 8:58 am
SamCogar wrote:Aaron wrote:So you think the only way for a teacher to get something done because of adminstrative issues in the school system is for a teacher to humilate a kid.
Well, she can't spank his ass, can she.Aaron wrote:I think I'll stand by my first statement.
And you don't really give a damn about the other 16 students in that Class, ... RIGHT?
Screw them, ..... they can all attend Summer School and do "make-up work" so they will be prepared to enter the next Grade leveL, ........ RIGHT?
Or maybe all 16 of them will be "lucky" and move to WV this summer .... and they will all be ready and adequately prepared for entering their next Gade level.
.
No, she can't spank his ass. And I'm in agreement that schools really started going to hell in a hand basket with corporal punishment stopped. That coming from a man that was on the wrong end somewhere between 3 and 787 butt bustings during his academic career.
The question would be though; would busting his ass do any good? As I said the other day, I had a brother that was mentally retarded/physically handicapped. Had he not gotten into a specialized school with teachers trained and equipped to handle special ed students who wanted to be there, then he would have got left behind like the rest of special education kids.
Part of the problem is in our governments desire to classify as many students as possible as special needs, we've eliminated true special education classes. IMO, those kids shouldn't even go to the same school as other kids and if they do, they definitely shouldn't be in the same classroom.
When they are, I'm quite sure there are ways to get those kids out of the class and into a special education class other then voting them out.
This pathetic woman has spent too many nights watching Survivor and should be fired.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
JFK-1960
JFK-1960
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