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Bad News for Bush Haters
by SamCogar on Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:43 am
Sadr City becomes showcase for rebuilding
BAGHDAD - Hundreds of women in black abayas crowd outdoor food markets, snapping up groceries and fresh vegetables. Stores are open again. Children play soccer on dirt fields until dusk — or later, when there's electricity.
This is Sadr City, where black-clad militiamen of radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army once enforced discipline across the sprawling slum of 3 million people — half of Baghdad's population. The Iraqi army won control of the district in May after weeks of battles that damaged scores of houses and emptied the streets.
"Security is better without the Mahdi Army," said a 42-year-old resident who wanted to be identified only by his nickname, Abu Israa. "We don't want them back."
"We saw extraordinary progress there," said Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. "A few months ago no one could go into Sadr City. I was able to walk openly down a street that until recently was extremely unsafe, and I'm encouraged by that."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25607047/
Re: Bad News for Bush Haters
by SheikBen on Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:44 am
Sam,
Not to worry, Obama will win and he should be able to bring instability back to Sadr City.
Not to worry, Obama will win and he should be able to bring instability back to Sadr City.
Re: Bad News for Bush Haters
by Aaron on Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:51 am
It really is kind of sad that an entire party is better off if America is defeated. I don't understand why they can't stand up and say something like...
"Hey, we were wrong. The surge worked."
To me that would lead to turning the conversation to bringing troops home quicker then anything else.
"Hey, we were wrong. The surge worked."
To me that would lead to turning the conversation to bringing troops home quicker then anything else.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
JFK-1960
JFK-1960
Re: Bad News for Bush Haters
by SheikBen on Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:42 am
Aaron,
As gently as I can, I need to say that I truly, and unfortunately, believe that many Democrats would rather win election than see success in Iraq, up to and including the removal of US troops in victory.
As gently as I can, I need to say that I truly, and unfortunately, believe that many Democrats would rather win election than see success in Iraq, up to and including the removal of US troops in victory.
Re: Bad News for Bush Haters
by Aaron on Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:57 am
I agree 110% Mike and it's really, really sad.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
JFK-1960
JFK-1960
Re: Bad News for Bush Haters
by shermangeneral on Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:38 pm
Well bad as I hate to say it, and gently as I can, you guys are way off base.
I posted a challenge back on the old forum and no one accepted.
You guys claim republicans are patriotic and serve their country in the military but Dems don't.
So please post (if you can) what percentage of military recruits come from Republican families.
Or are you just blowing smoke?
Who steps up and pays the price?
I posted a challenge back on the old forum and no one accepted.
You guys claim republicans are patriotic and serve their country in the military but Dems don't.
So please post (if you can) what percentage of military recruits come from Republican families.
Or are you just blowing smoke?
Who steps up and pays the price?
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Re: Bad News for Bush Haters
by Aaron on Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:03 pm
There is nothing put out by either party Sherm and believe it or not, that's a question they don't ask you in the service. I was never ask in my 3 years. Not once.
I did find this which I believe to be accurate.
And if you Google military vote by party there are plenty of pages that speak of democrats going after the military vote, which implies that the military does historically vote Republican.
But what you are talking about and what Mike and I are saying are two completely things. I believe that the current democratic leadership led by Harry Reid and Nancy Reid have more to gain by Iraq going bad then they do success and their partisan hatred is so rampant that they would rather lose Iraq if it guaranteed them wining the white house while maintaining control of congress.
That has nothing do to do with political affiliation of service members but is the thinking of the current leadership. That is what I believe.
I did find this which I believe to be accurate.
Historically, voting by the military has been between 65-75% Republican.
This varies.
As for the actual make up of the military there are no real offical records.
And if you Google military vote by party there are plenty of pages that speak of democrats going after the military vote, which implies that the military does historically vote Republican.
But what you are talking about and what Mike and I are saying are two completely things. I believe that the current democratic leadership led by Harry Reid and Nancy Reid have more to gain by Iraq going bad then they do success and their partisan hatred is so rampant that they would rather lose Iraq if it guaranteed them wining the white house while maintaining control of congress.
That has nothing do to do with political affiliation of service members but is the thinking of the current leadership. That is what I believe.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
JFK-1960
JFK-1960
Re: Bad News for Bush Haters
by Randall on Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:17 pm
Sherm, no one's talking about the party affiliation of the military. You start out with one faulty assumption and then pile on several more. You make the assumption (not in your post above, but in the previous forum) that mostly economically lower-class rural people join the military, and as hardy country folk, therefore they must be good Democrats. I think you need to update your demography stats; rural people haven't voted Democrat in 30 years.
The bottom line is that men and women choose to join the military not as Democrats or Republicans, but as Americans.
The bottom line is that men and women choose to join the military not as Democrats or Republicans, but as Americans.
"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into." -- Jonathan Swift
Re: Bad News for Bush Haters
by shermangeneral on Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:19 pm
Well I can only say the big majority of families I know who have family in the military are democrats.
And the republican chicken hawks we read about do not.
So I thought there might be some solid scientific numbers.
How many democrats have died and how many republicans?
In Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, WWII?
If you don't know, I understand.
You are just blowing smoke.
If you do, and you have a legitimate source fine.
And the republican chicken hawks we read about do not.
So I thought there might be some solid scientific numbers.
How many democrats have died and how many republicans?
In Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, WWII?
If you don't know, I understand.
You are just blowing smoke.
If you do, and you have a legitimate source fine.
Re: Bad News for Bush Haters
by Aaron on Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:03 pm
shermangeneral wrote:Yes. I do. And the Berlin wall, etc.
And America's will was being challenged.
And you and Mike claim that us Democrats are unpatriotic and won't defend freedom.
But like JFK said, we should never negotiate out of fear, but neither should we fear to negotiate.
This should be here.
Perhaps you can link the post where either Mike or myself said Democrats are unpatriotic and won't defend freedom? Can you do that Shermy?
And while you're at it, find the one we either of us said anything about which party served more or which one is more patriotic.
And since you stated it for fact, I'm sure you can provide the link that shows more democrats serve the Republicans do.
Hop to it Shermy!!!!!!!!!!
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
JFK-1960
JFK-1960
Re: Bad News for Bush Haters
by SamCogar on Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:55 pm
shermangeneral wrote:Well I can only say the big majority of families I know who have family in the military are democrats.
And the republican chicken hawks we read about do not.
DUH, ...... big majority?
Sherm, I would say 100%
I can't imagine you even talking to a Republican family.
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Re: Bad News for Bush Haters
by SheikBen on Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:46 pm
Sherm,
You would do well to note the difference between "many Democrats" and "all Democrats." Re-read my post.
You would do well to note the difference between "many Democrats" and "all Democrats." Re-read my post.
Re: Bad News for Bush Haters
by SheikBen on Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:52 pm
Similarly, I'm sure that SOME Republicans are all about sending others to war when they would never go themselves, just as MANY elected Democrats who drive SUVs or own more than one large home go on TV and tell me that I should be doing more for the environment.
I'm also sure that MANY Democrats are themselves noble patriots.
"Many", "most", "some", "all", "every", "none", these are all words that you should pay attention to, Sherm. They may be found on one of your relicensing tests one of these days.
I'm also sure that MANY Democrats are themselves noble patriots.
"Many", "most", "some", "all", "every", "none", these are all words that you should pay attention to, Sherm. They may be found on one of your relicensing tests one of these days.
Re: Bad News for Bush Haters
by shermangeneral on Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:43 pm
Just as I thot.
You guys cant back it up.
First you hijack Jesus and then you wrap yourself in Old Glory.
Well I believe the dems have our proportional share of both Christians and Patriots.
Despite yall's claims.
You guys cant back it up.
First you hijack Jesus and then you wrap yourself in Old Glory.
Well I believe the dems have our proportional share of both Christians and Patriots.
Despite yall's claims.
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