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Re: Who owns our souls?
by ziggy on Sun May 25, 2008 5:39 pm
ecofriek wrote:To claim ones soulis ones own one has to first believe they have a soul. What of those of us who do not?
For me, my soul is that whatever it is that makes me a warm, breathing, living, and sometimes thinking human being- and that distinguishes my soul from the next person's soul.
Someone else might call it something else- the human spirit, the individual spirit, whatever.
But if we have a soul, I think that's what it is / does.
"If we let people see that kind of thing, there would never again be any war": Pentagon official explaining why the U.S. military censored graphic footage from the Gulf War
Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." -- Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Physicist and Professor, Nobel Prize 1921
Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." -- Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Physicist and Professor, Nobel Prize 1921
Re: Who owns our souls?
by Stephanie on Sun May 25, 2008 7:03 pm
Ziggy,
This is something you and I agree on. How is it we disagree on so much else? lol
This is something you and I agree on. How is it we disagree on so much else? lol
Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense.
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
Re: Who owns our souls?
by ecofriek on Mon May 26, 2008 5:17 am
ziggy wrote:ecofriek wrote:To claim ones soulis ones own one has to first believe they have a soul. What of those of us who do not?
For me, my soul is that whatever it is that makes me a warm, breathing, living, and sometimes thinking human being- and that distinguishes my soul from the next person's soul.
Someone else might call it something else- the human spirit, the individual spirit, whatever.
But if we have a soul, I think that's what it is / does.
Yes I can go along with that, ones own inner spirit or essence, you have it dead right.
And Hi from the UK, I couldnt find an introdiuctions thread.
not all who wander are lost
Re: Who owns our souls?
by ziggy on Mon May 26, 2008 7:49 am
And hello from West Virginia, USA ecofriek.
Welcome to the forum.
Welcome to the forum.
"If we let people see that kind of thing, there would never again be any war": Pentagon official explaining why the U.S. military censored graphic footage from the Gulf War
Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." -- Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Physicist and Professor, Nobel Prize 1921
Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." -- Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Physicist and Professor, Nobel Prize 1921
Re: Who owns our souls?
by shermangeneral on Mon May 26, 2008 8:55 am
Well the Good Book says when God breathed the breath of life into his nostrils Adam became a living soul.
And as I understand the word's Greek roots mean wind or breeze.
So using that context the soul just moves on free as a breeze so to speak.
Not bound by death or any such thing.
Boundless freedom.
And as I understand the word's Greek roots mean wind or breeze.
So using that context the soul just moves on free as a breeze so to speak.
Not bound by death or any such thing.
Boundless freedom.
Re: Who owns our souls?
by Stephanie on Mon May 26, 2008 9:11 am
Hello ecofriek.
Sherm,
Where's the freedom in eternal damnation for not "finding Jesus" or "accepting Christ into your heart" or not "dying in a state of grace" etc?
Sherm,
Where's the freedom in eternal damnation for not "finding Jesus" or "accepting Christ into your heart" or not "dying in a state of grace" etc?
Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense.
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
Re: Who owns our souls?
by SamCogar on Mon May 26, 2008 11:15 am
Stephanie wrote:Hello ecofriek.
Sherm,
Where's the freedom in eternal damnation for not "finding Jesus" or "accepting Christ into your heart" or not "dying in a state of grace" etc?
AW GEEEEZE, ..... Stephanie, ..... now you done it, that is a perfect opening for someone to reply with ........
"No problem, they will all be reincarnated as partisan Democrats".
.
Re: Who owns our souls?
by ecofriek on Mon May 26, 2008 11:23 am
shermangeneral wrote:Well the Good Book says when God breathed the breath of life into his nostrils Adam became a living soul.
And as I understand the word's Greek roots mean wind or breeze.
So using that context the soul just moves on free as a breeze so to speak.
Not bound by death or any such thing.
Boundless freedom.
But I dont believe what is written there, so for me it has to be inner spirit with a touch of zeitgeist, or nothing.
not all who wander are lost
Re: Who owns our souls?
by Stephanie on Mon May 26, 2008 11:43 am
lol
That was pretty darn good, Sam!
That was pretty darn good, Sam!
Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense.
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
Re: Who owns our souls?
by SheikBen on Tue May 27, 2008 4:54 pm
Stephanie wrote:Hello ecofriek.
Sherm,
Where's the freedom in eternal damnation for not "finding Jesus" or "accepting Christ into your heart" or not "dying in a state of grace" etc?
Well, Stephanie, the freedom to choose carries with it the freedom to choose poorly and with disastrous results. In a rough and ready way, "freedom of choice" in the realm of abortion, as well as other forms of murder, does first start with God. He can prevent all of the crap that goes on in the world today, but whenever I think about asking Him to stop human foolishness by force, my own part in it is right there, convicting me.
Re: Who owns our souls?
by Stephanie on Tue May 27, 2008 5:00 pm
OK, maybe I'm tired. That made no sense to me at all.
Usually we disagree but at least I know what you're talking about.
Usually we disagree but at least I know what you're talking about.
Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense.
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
-Ron Paul
When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
-Ron Paul
The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.
-Ron Paul
Re: Who owns our souls?
by SheikBen on Tue May 27, 2008 6:22 pm
My mind wanders quickly. You asked where the freedom is in people who do not trust in Jesus Christ going to hell.
My response is that people are free to make wrong choices with bad consequences. God Himself has given us the ability to do horrible things and make horrible chocies with real consequences.
As such, there is real freedom in the ability to choose against Jesus Christ and to suffer those consequences (I do not mean to speak of this flippantly, but I am trying to respond to your concern). When you ask where the freedom is in "believe or else," I respond that without the "else" position, then freedom itself doesn't exist.
I have posted about hell elsewhere and the subject does not make friends and influence people, but on the basic question of whether we will spend eternity with God, the answer is that it depends on whether we want to personally accept Jesus, God incarnate and live with Him now. I would say that there is more "freedom" to the heaven/hell disparity than if God forced Himself upon everyone.
My response is that people are free to make wrong choices with bad consequences. God Himself has given us the ability to do horrible things and make horrible chocies with real consequences.
As such, there is real freedom in the ability to choose against Jesus Christ and to suffer those consequences (I do not mean to speak of this flippantly, but I am trying to respond to your concern). When you ask where the freedom is in "believe or else," I respond that without the "else" position, then freedom itself doesn't exist.
I have posted about hell elsewhere and the subject does not make friends and influence people, but on the basic question of whether we will spend eternity with God, the answer is that it depends on whether we want to personally accept Jesus, God incarnate and live with Him now. I would say that there is more "freedom" to the heaven/hell disparity than if God forced Himself upon everyone.
Re: Who owns our souls?
by ziggy on Tue May 27, 2008 6:42 pm
SheikBen wrote:When you ask where the freedom is in "believe or else," I respond that without the "else" position, then freedom itself doesn't exist.
Absolutely.
"If we let people see that kind of thing, there would never again be any war": Pentagon official explaining why the U.S. military censored graphic footage from the Gulf War
Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." -- Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Physicist and Professor, Nobel Prize 1921
Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." -- Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Physicist and Professor, Nobel Prize 1921
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