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Post by ziggy Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:41 pm

We think ourselves possessed, or, at least, we boast that we are so, of liberty of conscience on all subjects, and of the right of free inquiry and private judgment in all cases, and yet how far are we from these exalted privileges in fact! There exists, I believe, throughout the whole Christian world, a law which makes it blasphemy to deny or doubt the divine inspiration of all the books of the Old and New Testaments, from Genesis to Revelations. In most countries of Europe it is punished by fire at the stake, or the rack, or the wheel. In England itself it is punished by boring through the tongue with a red-hot poker. In America it is not better; even in our own Massachusetts, which I believe, upon the whole, is as temperate and moderate in religious zeal as most of the States, a law was made in the latter end of the last century, repealing the cruel punishments of the former laws, but substituting fine and imprisonment upon all those blasphemers upon any book of the Old Testament or New. Now, what free inquiry, when a writer must surely encounter the risk of fine or imprisonment for adducing any argument for investigating into the divine authority of those books? Who would run the risk of translating Dupuis? But I cannot enlarge upon this subject, though I have it much at heart. I think such laws a great embarrassment, great obstructions to the improvement of the human mind. Books that cannot bear examination, certainly ought not to be established as divine inspiration by penal laws. It is true, few persons appear desirous to put such laws in execution, and it is also true that some few persons are hardy enough to venture to depart from them. But as long as they continue in force as laws, the human mind must make an awkward and clumsy progress in its investigations. I wish they were repealed. The substance and essence of Christianity, as I understand it, is eternal and unchangeable, and will bear examination forever, but it has been mixed with extraneous ingredients, which I think will not bear examination, and they ought to be separated. Adieu.- John Adams
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Post by ziggy Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:52 pm

SheikBen wrote:Hi Terry,

So you had a bumper sticker favoring drowning baptists and you were surprised it got a negative reaction? .

"My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular". - Adlai E. Stevenson Jr.
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Post by SheikBen Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:09 pm

I agree with Stevenson, and TerryRC is safe. I do not condone the actions of whoever it is damaged his car, but I'd much sooner be a TerryRC is West Virginia than an evangelical Christian in Stalin's Russia or in today's Saudi Arabia.

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Post by shermangeneral Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:27 am

Well if religionists would read their own doctrine they would know it goes against their own doctrine (not to mention Jesus' teachings) to vandalize Terry's car.

And I suspect Terry RC knows that too.

Just like it is not fair or reasonable to declare war against Islam because of bin Laden, it is not fair to condemn Christianity because of the Christian terrorists who mistreated Terry.

Just my opinion.

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Post by SamCogar Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:45 am

TerryRC wrote:I used to have a bumper sticker that said:

"The only problem with baptists is that they don't hold them under long enough"

It got me pulled over by no less than five irate cops that asked me if I thought that was funny. It also got my tires slashed and even a bullet hole (I wasn't in it at the time, at least). I got rid of it, finally. Never had a problem since.

Then you have people like Keli that would have no problem inserting his religious laws into my government.

How different should I find the two, Mike?

Yes, christianity is more tolerant now. Islam is around four hundred years younger.

Four hundred years ago, we were smack dab in the Inquisition.

Christianity and islam seem to be following the same development curve.

And just what the hell does Christianity have to do with people’s intolerance for your public display of a “bumper sticker” condoning murder?

It is no wonder that five irate cops pulled you over, …… they know how many crazies are walking the streets and might likely do what your bumper sticker suggests.

Hells bells, they probably figured if you hated Baptists enough to publicly proclaim said, ........ then you were crazy enough to be drowning someone.

And I would have trouble getting PO’ed at anyone for slashing your tires or shooting a hole in your vehicle that displayed such a message …. if they had suffered the loss of a loved one via a crazie like you who murdered their loved one by drowning them.

Using the CYA of ....... "It was only a joke" ........... doesn't work everytime.

And seldom if ever ...... when Police Officers are involved.


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Post by SheikBen Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:26 am

"It is true, few persons appear desirous to put such laws in execution, and it is also true that some few persons are hardy enough to venture to depart from them."--John Adams

Can it be said that few persons in Saudi Arabia/Iran/United Arab Emirates/Holland appear desirous to put sha'ria into execution?

The churches in Europe in John Adams' day hardly qualified as fundamentalist. Infant baptism is an obvious example of a difference between then and now. A few such people actually made it a habit of drowning or near-drowning baptists in a mocking of the adult baptism experience. What TerryRC finds funny actually led to the deaths of some people for their religious beliefs.

In Massachusettes, in which Congregationalism was the state church until 1833, fine and imprisonment existed in John Adams' day (as the quote suggests) even though the Congregational church itself was so liberal that it split way back then into the Unitarian and Trinitarian movements. A fundamentalist church does not have such a unitarian component that it suffers a schism based on THAT.

I get the sense that Ziggy and TerryRC have a priori defined fundamentalism as the violent and intolerant use of religion, and therefore feel the ability to make every example of religious violence fit their definition, even though it is tautalogical and scatological. If instead by fundamentalism one means the belief in the inerrancy of Scripture, the superiority and authority of Scripture over church leadership, and a personal salvation by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ, and not of ourselves and our works, we will surely find that fundamentalist Christianity is innocent of the charges proferred against it. The Catholic church even today does not subscribe to the above two. It has an "infallible pope" ex cathedra. It has required sacraments for salvation, just as the Church of England did in John Adams' day.

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Post by SheikBen Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:27 am

TerryRC,

I think Sam said it well. Let's say that your bumper sticker, instead of speaking ill of Baptists, said something like:

"the problem with Democrats is that they are not drowned"

or

"the problem with Republicans is that they are not drowned"

or

"the problem with union members is that they are not drowned"

Do you really believe that you would have had a different result? Especially the last example, any "difference" would have involved the car being occupied when it was shot at, I reckon.

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Post by TerryRC Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:27 am

And just what the hell does Christianity have to do with people’s intolerance for your public display of a “bumper sticker” condoning murder?

It is no wonder that five irate cops pulled you over, …… they know how many crazies are walking the streets and might likely do what your bumper sticker suggests.

Hells bells, they probably figured if you hated Baptists enough to publicly proclaim said, ........ then you were crazy enough to be drowning someone.

And I would have trouble getting PO’ed at anyone for slashing your tires or shooting a hole in your vehicle that displayed such a message …. if they had suffered the loss of a loved one via a crazie like you who murdered their loved one by drowning them.


Rant on...

My son beat the crap out of your honor student is a bumper sticker that condones extreme violence and anti-education sentiment - we don't see these people being hassled.

We have heard Keli make very similar off-color jokes on these boards. Nobody has threatened him with violence.

So in exercising one's right to free speech, vigilantism is an acceptable response (apparently as long as the vigilantes are on the side of religion)?

Sam, you just made my point for me. Thanks.

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Post by TerryRC Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:34 am


The churches in Europe in John Adams' day hardly qualified as fundamentalist. Infant baptism is an obvious example of a difference between then and now. A few such people actually made it a habit of drowning or near-drowning baptists in a mocking of the adult baptism experience. What TerryRC finds funny actually led to the deaths of some people for their religious beliefs.


M. M. O'Hare.

Killed for her atheism.

You would have to show me where people made it a habit of killing baptists. I can cite you instances where, in years gone by, baptists have run papists out of town on a rail, however.

I get the sense that Ziggy and TerryRC have a priori defined fundamentalism as the violent and intolerant use of religion, and therefore feel the ability to make every example of religious violence fit their definition, even though it is tautalogical and scatological. If instead by fundamentalism one means the belief in the inerrancy of Scripture, the superiority and authority of Scripture over church leadership, and a personal salvation by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ, and not of ourselves and our works, we will surely find that fundamentalist Christianity is innocent of the charges proferred against it. The Catholic church even today does not subscribe to the above two. It has an "infallible pope" ex cathedra. It has required sacraments for salvation, just as the Church of England did in John Adams' day.

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

That superiority of scripture lead to alot of deaths.

Islam and christianity have a bundle of similarities, the most important of which is the compulsion to make converts. I could list you pages of other similarities but I think it would not, in the end, make much difference.

The two religions are more similar than different, IMHO.

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Post by TerryRC Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:37 am

I also can't help but notice how scared people are about someone "not christian" in the White House.

[sarcasm]

The government never uses force to promote religiously based legislation, right?

What are you all scared of then?

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Post by shermangeneral Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:22 am

Well if it were not for the so-called activist Court system, we would have far less tolerance.

And far more professing Christians.

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Post by SamCogar Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:42 pm

TerryRC wrote:And just what the hell does Christianity have to do with people’s intolerance for your public display of a “bumper sticker” condoning murder?

It is no wonder that five irate cops pulled you over, …… they know how many crazies are walking the streets and might likely do what your bumper sticker suggests.

Hells bells, they probably figured if you hated Baptists enough to publicly proclaim said, ........ then you were crazy enough to be drowning someone.

And I would have trouble getting PO’ed at anyone for slashing your tires or shooting a hole in your vehicle that displayed such a message …. if they had suffered the loss of a loved one via a crazie like you who murdered their loved one by drowning them.


Rant on...

My son beat the crap out of your honor student is a bumper sticker that condones extreme violence and anti-education sentiment - we don't see these people being hassled.

We have heard Keli make very similar off-color jokes on these boards. Nobody has threatened him with violence.

So in exercising one's right to free speech, vigilantism is an acceptable response (apparently as long as the vigilantes are on the side of religion)?

Sam, you just made my point for me. Thanks.

Who in hell takes care of you when I'm not.

Oh, I forgot, ..... no one, ....... that's why you get your tires slashed and shot at.

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Post by SheikBen Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:57 pm

TerryRC,

Do you have any proof at all that O'Hair was killed for her atheism?

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Post by ziggy Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:06 pm

Murder
Ultimately, a murder investigation focused on Waters, who had worked as a typesetter for American Atheists and was the organization's office manager at the time the three vanished. Not only did Waters have previous convictions for violent crimes, there were several suspicious burglaries during his tenure, and he pleaded guilty earlier in 1995 to stealing $54,000 from American Atheists.[18]

Shortly after his theft of the $54,000 was discovered, O'Hair wrote a scathing article in the 'Members Only' section of the American Atheists newsletter exposing Waters, the theft, and Waters' previous crimes,[8] including a 1977 incident in which Waters allegedly beat and urinated upon his own mother.[18] Waters' girlfriend later testified that he was enraged by O'Hair's article, and that he fantasized about torturing her in gruesome ways.[18]

Police concluded that Waters and his accomplices had kidnapped all three O'Hairs, forced them to withdraw the missing funds, went on several huge shopping sprees with the O'Hairs' money and credit cards, and then murdered all three people. Danny Fry, an accomplice, was murdered a few days after the O'Hairs; his body was found with its head and hands severed on a riverbed, but his remains were unidentified for three and a half years. Waters eventually pled guilty to reduced charges.

In January 2001, Waters informed the police that the O'Hairs were buried on a Texas ranch, and he subsequently led them to the bodies.[8][14] When the police excavated there, they discovered that the O'Hairs' bodies had been cut into dozens of pieces with a saw. The remains exhibited such extensive mutilation and successive decomposition that identification had to be made through dental records, by DNA testing and, in Madalyn O'Hair's case, by her prosthetic hip.[19]

The gold coins extorted from the O'Hairs were put in a storage locker rented by Waters' girlfriend.[citation needed] Waters had taken out $80,000 and partied with his girlfriend for a few days,[citation needed] but upon his return he discovered that the remaining $420,000 had been stolen.[citation needed] A group of thieves operating in that area had a master key to the type of lock which Waters used to secure the locker. In the course of their activities, they came across the locker, used the master key to open it, and found a suitcase full of gold coins. They eventually spent all but one, which the police recovered.[citation needed]

Waters was found guilty of kidnapping, robbery, and murder in the Murray case, and was sentenced to 20 years in prison.[20] In addition, he was also ordered to pay back a total of $543,665 to the United Secularists of America and the estates of Madalyn Murray O'Hair, Jon Garth Murray, and Robin Murray-O'Hair. It is unlikely that any of these debts were paid, as Waters had no ability to earn money while in prison. Waters died in prison of lung cancer on January 27, 2003.[8]

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Post by SheikBen Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:15 am

There isn't anything in that very sad story about O'Hair being murdered because she was an atheist.

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Post by TerryRC Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:54 am

There isn't anything in that very sad story about O'Hair being murdered because she was an atheist.

My mistake. She was killed for money and revenge.

If Waters hadn't got her, don't you think someone would have?

A wiki (for what it is worth):

In the same Playboy interview, O'Hair gave a lengthy list of alleged incidents of harassment, intimidation, and even death threats against her and her family for her views. She read several profane letters she received in the mail, with content including one that said, "you will be killed before too long. Or maybe your pretty little baby boy. The queer-looking bastard. You are a bitch and your son is a bastard". In response, O'Hair told the interviewer, "Isn't that lovely? Christine Jorgensen had to go to Sweden for an operation, but me they'll fix with faith – painlessly and for nothing." She stated that she left Baltimore not from fear of prosecution for assaulting police officers, but because of persecution from Baltimore residents, including receipt of mail containing photos smeared with feces, the strangulation of her son Bill's pet kitten, and the stoning of her home by neighborhood residents, which she claimed caused her father's fatal heart attack.[6]

Big tolerance. Bets most of offenders would claim to be christians?

I'm not saying she was a class act but I don't see much tolerance from her opponents.

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Post by TerryRC Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:59 am

Who in hell takes care of you when I'm not.

Oh, I forgot, ..... no one, ....... that's why you get your tires slashed and shot at.


Lost your argument, Sam? Look around. I'm sure you dropped it somewhere nearby.

Ann Coulter can say that atheists should not be citizens of this country or that liberals should be shot or put in concentration camps and it gets lapped up.

Make a comment about religion and you are EVIL.

Why should attacking religion be taboo when it is OK to attack every damn thing else?

It is a double standard and I submit it is stupid.

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Post by SheikBen Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:32 pm

Do good to those who persecute you does not sound like advice being heeded by these cretins, so even if they are "Christians" they are not accepting the advise of their Savior.

But it's worth noting that 87% of this country is Christian and only 6 percent or so is atheist, and yet it was an employee of the American Atheists, and not a Christian, that killed O'Hair.

It was a tragedy whoever did this, but it's not an example that helps your case, Terry. O'Hair did great damage to the Christian culture in the United States and yet was killed by an atheist. If Christianity were such the instigator you feel it to be, and atheism weren't, one would have expected a different end to the story.

I may have asked you this before, but I will do so again. Let's say you are walking down the street in a particularly dangerous part of Nashville or Memphis, and there is a group of 10 young men walking toward you on the sidewalk. Would you be more or less afraid if you learned that they had just left a Bible study?

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Post by Stephanie Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:59 pm

OK, I know this is a little off topic but I have to share this with SOMEBODY.

Today I took Loyd to the Clay Center for a "Homeschool Event Day". As I'm sure many of you are aware many families homeschool for religious reasons, particularly in locations like WV.

So there were a lot of Christian families there and this one little boy of about 4 was wearing this read t-shirt that read

Jesus-Christ


He's the Real Thing!
Like the Coca-Cola slogan thingie.

Who comes up with this stuff? I couldn't even believe anybody would put such a thing on such a young child.

Thanks for letting me share that.
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Post by SamCogar Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:55 am

TerryRC wrote:Lost your argument, Sam? Look around. I'm sure you dropped it somewhere nearby.

Terry, ..... I have more answers than you have questions ..... on just about any subject.

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Post by SamCogar Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:15 am

Stephanie wrote:OK, I know this is a little off topic but I have to share this with SOMEBODY.

Today I took Loyd to the Clay Center for a "Homeschool Event Day". As I'm sure many of you are aware many families homeschool for religious reasons, particularly in locations like WV.

So there were a lot of Christian families there and this one little boy of about 4 was wearing this read t-shirt that read

Jesus-Christ


He's the Real Thing!
Like the Coca-Cola slogan thingie.

Who comes up with this stuff? I couldn't even believe anybody would put such a thing on such a young child.

Steph, that's called "conditioning" of the child ......... and "bragging" by the parent.

That is similar to the song they teach young children.

"Jesus loves me this I know,

because the Bible tells me so
."


Once you condition children to be believing that,

then it is a natural progression to get them to believe everything else in the Bible is true. And they almost hafta believe what else is written in the Bible is "true", ..... because if they reject it ......... then they know Jesus won't love them.

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Post by SFCraig Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:15 am

As many here (especially Willy) have said, "it's all authoritarianism!!". I can appreciate those who "have the fire of the Gospel" and feel compelled to save the world, etc. There are many more self-described Christians who really are drawn to forcing their beliefs down other's throats. Not that they don't sincerely believe it, it's just that the motivation is a sort of "authoritarianism".

Real Christians or real Muslims would not perform any of the heinous acts mentioned. Real humans however, don't need much prodding to take any philosophy and misuse it to accomplish anything. Religion is the preferred method because if you deny it you are not only disagreeing, but are a pariah.

It's also really easy to abuse people if you've taught them to turn the other cheek. Smile

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Post by shermangeneral Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:38 am

Well Craig have you read many of James Michener's books?

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Post by SamCogar Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:01 pm

I liked "The Chesapeake" ..... the best.

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Post by TerryRC Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:47 am

Terry, ..... I have more answers than you have questions ..... on just about any subject.

It is easy to come up with answers if you aren't concerned with accuracy...

Sam, I have questions about many things, many of which you have likely never conceived.

It is why I became a scientist.

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