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Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph on Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:25 pm

San Francisco to Inspect Residents’ Garbage
AZCONSERVATIVE ^ | 2 August 2008 | John Semmens



San Francisco Mayor, Gavin Newsom (D), announced a plan to inspect city residents’ garbage. Reportedly, he was inspired, in part, by a study that appeared in the weekly journal Obesity.

“Projections show that by the year 2030, every American will be overweight,” Newsome explained. “We’ve got to do something. Since the City has custody of the people’s garbage, I thought, why not use this power for good?”

“You know, we can learn a lot from people’s garbage,” Newsome went on. “What they’re eating, reading, wearing—all can be deduced from what people throw away.”

Newsome downplayed contentions that this would be an unwarranted invasion of privacy. “Your neighbor’s bad habits have an effect on you,” Newsome said. “If they’re eating the wrong food, too much food, or are wasting food, that costs society. By identifying who is imposing these costs, we can begin to correct the behaviors that cause them.”

The Mayor suggested that “dieticians could be sent to counsel those exhibiting poor food-related skills. We could provide healthy menus and food preparation instructions. If necessary, residents showing signs of obesity could be signed up for aerobics lessons.”
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Post by SFCraig on Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:13 pm

You should mention an article is satire or provide a link to the article. It's an integrity thing.

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Post by ziggy on Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:16 pm

Huh? Satire? Integrity?

What's you talkin' about, Craig?
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Post by ziggy on Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:19 pm

Satire or no, the Fourth Amendment does not prohibit the warrantless search and seizure of garbage left for collection outside the curtilage of a home.

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Post by SheikBen on Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:59 pm

SFCraig wrote:You should mention an article is satire or provide a link to the article. It's an integrity thing.

You don't think that was obvious? What does THAT tell you?

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Post by ziggy on Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:02 pm

You don't think that was obvious? What does THAT tell you?

Well, I didn't see it as obvious. So whatever it tells us, it tells us about simple headed Ziggy, too.
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Re: San Francisco to Inspect Residents’ Garbage

Post by SheikBen on Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:03 pm

Ziggy,

It tells me that you are honest man with the ability to snicker at yourself. I'm glad to know you.

OK, so if it's not obvious to YOU, then I have to ask if it doesn't sound too altogether POSSIBLE and therefore should give us cause to worry.

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Post by ziggy on Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:10 pm

Thanks. How dreary life would be had I not learned to snicker at myself.

Cause to worry about what? That, if this had not been satire, that San Francisco Mayor, Gavin Newsom must be some kind of a looney- which was my first thought as I read it?

But I am a bit relieved to realize that it is maybe satire and that maybe he his not a looney after all. .
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Re: San Francisco to Inspect Residents’ Garbage

Post by Keli on Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:19 am

I think that they should also inspect poop for traces of peanuts, processed sugar, trans fats and other evils. Let's send the mayor of San Francisco our stool samples. Do it today! Do it for the children!


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Re: San Francisco to Inspect Residents’ Garbage

Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph on Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:24 am

FACT or FICTION--YOU DECIDE:

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10066339?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.com-www.mercurynews.com
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Post by ziggy on Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:30 pm

Probably fact.

But it would not be, as the article indicates, the nations first mandatory recycling and/or composting law.

Mandatory Recycling
Some communities have passed laws or ordinances mandating that citizens recycle at least some of their trash. Typically, residents in these communities separate their newspaper, aluminum, glass, and other recyclables from the rest of their trash. Other communities may only require that newspapers be separated for recycling. Residents who do not comply with local recycling laws may be fined, or their trash may not be picked up. In an effort to encourage recycling, many communities have adopted pay-as-you-throw programs. Community residents are charged by the number of trash containers they set out for collection.

In Seattle, Washington, the amount residents pay for garbage pick-up is based on the size of their garbage cans. Usually, the cost of pick-up for one small 12-gallon can is about $10 per month, while the cost for two large 32-gallon cans is almost $33 per month. Residents who are serious about recycling end up paying far less for their garbage disposal.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energyfacts/saving/recycling/solidwaste/recycling.html
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Post by Stephanie on Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:48 pm

I didn't realize it was satire either. Why? Simple......nothing that Newsom does will shock me any more. Enrage me, yes.....but shock me, not a chance.

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Post by ohio county on Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:56 pm

I'm sorry - maybe I'm just dense but I don't think it is satire. How would you explain the multiple sources?

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Post by Stephanie on Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:07 pm

Oh, I think he intends to have the trash inspected. The satire comes in with the counseling for folks like me when they find empty chip bags and heavy cream containers instead of tofu packaging and celery tops.

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Post by ohio county on Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:13 pm

Craig puts his in your can along with the pizza crusts.

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Post by Stephanie on Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:19 pm

lol

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Post by SFCraig on Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:37 pm

But see? This is the cartoon version of what SF does. We banned plastic bags and have mandatory paid sick leave. Are those bad ideas?

Plastic bags are costly to everyone. Restaurant workers are a major cause of stomach flu (working while ill).

Although I compost, I am not sure his idea is a very good one.

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Post by Stephanie on Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:35 pm

His idea is outrageous. It puts an unfair burden on single family home owners. It isn't fair to everyone in the community plus it's an invasion of privacy.

RI has mandatory recycling. If you don't recycle they won't pick up your trash in my home town. They could charge more by the amount of trash you put out. That would be fair and reasonable. It wouldn't cost a whole lot to implement either.

This is lunacy. I think if the city of San Francisco wants to mandate composting they ought to make composting affordable to people. That is nuts.

My husband is in the restaurant industry. Even when he didn't have paid sick leave he wouldn't go into work if he had a stomach flu. He has also worked in places where he's had to send sick employees home because although they have paid sick days, they want to save them for hunting season or beach season or pick your pasttime. They are irresponsible. The government can't legislate morality. It can't make you a better person.

San Francisco has made itself into a political cartoon. Don't blame the rest of the nation for pointing that out.

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Post by TerryRC on Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:46 am

His idea is outrageous. It puts an unfair burden on single family home owners. It isn't fair to everyone in the community plus it's an invasion of privacy.

One you set it at the curb (a public right-of-way, in most places), you are giving it away. I don't think there is an expectation of privacy.

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Post by Stephanie on Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:28 am

Terry,

How are you? I drove Katie up to Cleveland last weekend and saw those purple bags hanging from trees on 77 from the WV border for about a 100 miles. Thanks to you and Jimmy I was able to tell my kids what they were for when Loyd asked. Smile I didn't see any on this side of the border though.

I don't find it unreasonable to object to government employees inspecting your trash. I also fail to see how this will be cost effective or better for the environment.....you know those garbage trucks will be out there longer spending much more time just idling while all that trash is being picked over.

Composting is great and a worthwhile goal. However, any financial or environmental benefits to composting will certainly be minimized and it places an unfair burden on people living in single family dwelling with additional government intrusion.

It seems to me it would be better for the city to hold workshops on composting and provide bins etc to citizens for a reduced cost.

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Post by TerryRC on Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:41 am


I don't find it unreasonable to object to government employees inspecting your trash. I also fail to see how this will be cost effective or better for the environment.....you know those garbage trucks will be out there longer spending much more time just idling while all that trash is being picked over.


Then take it to the landfill yourself. Once you put it to the curb, you are relinquishing ownership of it. I agree, the mandatory composting thing may be going a bit too far

Even if the trucks do take an extra moment or two, there is a net savings in energy. The electricity it takes to smelt the aluminum for one soda can can run a 19" TV for three hours, or so I have read.

I don't know if Ohio (the state, not the forum member) is hanging the purple traps this year.

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Post by Stephanie on Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:09 am

TerryRC wrote:
I don't find it unreasonable to object to government employees inspecting your trash. I also fail to see how this will be cost effective or better for the environment.....you know those garbage trucks will be out there longer spending much more time just idling while all that trash is being picked over.


Then take it to the landfill yourself. Once you put it to the curb, you are relinquishing ownership of it. I agree, the mandatory composting thing may be going a bit too far

Even if the trucks do take an extra moment or two, there is a net savings in energy. The electricity it takes to smelt the aluminum for one soda can can run a 19" TV for three hours, or so I have read.

I don't know if Ohio (the state, not the forum member) is hanging the purple traps this year.

There are purple traps in Ohio. lol

They aren't looking for soda cans, Terry. They are looking for egg shells, coffee grinds, and chicken bones. It's silly and I'm not sure it's all about the "energy". I think it's more about the environmental impact. Those garbage trucks burn a lot of fossil fuel while the people are inspecting the trash looking for evidence of pizza crusts and potato peels.

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