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Post by shermangeneral on Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:01 am

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/politics/2008/07/25/california-voters-report-unprecedented-economic-pain.html

Of course 50 years from now the revisionist republicans will deny there was ever a Bush recession.

They will say partisans like ol Sherm just made it up...

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Post by Aaron on Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:57 am

Yeah, that staggering recession that sent unemployment to a whopping 5.5%...

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Post by ohio county on Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:02 am

Yeah, but we did have one consecutive quarters without growth...

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Post by shermangeneral on Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:11 am

Very Happy See, it is starting already...

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Post by Aaron on Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:21 am

And you have the numbers on your side to back up what your saying, right Sherm???

So let's see them.

And maybe we can have some of that meaningful debate you crave so much.

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Post by Stephanie on Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:56 pm

It's good to know our dependency on foreign oil is hurting those who are seeking to prevent the rest of the nation from utilizing every currently available means to end that dependency are hurting just like the rest of us.


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Post by SFCraig on Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:02 am

Again, I think this is important because although California seems like its own country, our pain is your pain.

Since we pay more than our share of everything, it means the country is impacted even more than our population of 37 million or so.

Similarly, we have lost more citizens than any state in the Iraq debacle.

http://icasualties.org/oif/USCasualtiesByState.aspx

This link is just comedy:

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/bush_tours_america_to_survey

:Bush Tours America To Survey Damage Caused By His Disastrous Presidency

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Post by ohio county on Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:30 am

You pay more than your fair share because of government intrusion. When planning became fashionable in California it removed over 2/3 of the available land. Land zoomed in value. You were shocked! Shocked, I say.

IT was called "smart" planning or some other euphemism. It was expensive government intrusion and that was only the beginning.

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Post by SFCraig on Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:02 pm

ohio county wrote:You pay more than your fair share because of government intrusion. When planning became fashionable in California it removed over 2/3 of the available land. Land zoomed in value. You were shocked! Shocked, I say.

IT was called "smart" planning or some other euphemism. It was expensive government intrusion and that was only the beginning.

Explain? We pay more Federal taxes why? We contribute more military casualties why? We provide more food why?

We're like the most productive members of a family. Other states are like the lazy sibling. Why are we in your cross hairs?

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Post by SamCogar on Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:45 pm

SFCraig wrote:
Explain? We pay more Federal taxes why? We contribute more military casualties why? We provide more food why?

For being a Californian ......... you sure ask some awful dumb questions.

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Post by SFCraig on Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:57 pm

Huh?

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Post by ohio county on Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:36 am

California began zoning and planning in the 1970's. Today the African-American population in San Francisco has fallen from 13% of the population to a little over 6%. In real numbers that was 90,000+ to around 47,000. You have made real estate so expensive that only the effete can afford to live there. Is planning some kind of code for racial bias?

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Post by Stephanie on Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:15 am

SFCraig wrote:
ohio county wrote:You pay more than your fair share because of government intrusion. When planning became fashionable in California it removed over 2/3 of the available land. Land zoomed in value. You were shocked! Shocked, I say.

IT was called "smart" planning or some other euphemism. It was expensive government intrusion and that was only the beginning.

Explain? We pay more Federal taxes why? We contribute more military casualties why? We provide more food why?


I'm sure Jimmy will be happy to explain himself to you. As for your questions, they have very simple answers. California is the third largest state by land area and the most populous state in the nation. California's geography provides lots of terrific farmland.


SFCraig wrote:We're like the most productive members of a family. Other states are like the lazy sibling. Why are we in your cross hairs?

I suggest you reread the portion of your statement highlighted in red. After thinking about it, you may get a little insight into why you, and many other Californians, rub me the wrong way.

California uses it's large population and political clout to try to ram things down the throat of the rest of the nation, like blocking off-shore drilling in federal waters because of the irrational fears of Californians. Californians also have this annoying tendency to fail to take a good long look in the mirror and consider how they really aren't that much better than any place else.

For example, for all of California's economic prosperity, the San Joaquim Valley is one of the most economically depressed regions of the entire country and the state is projected to have a $16 billion budget deficit, despite having the 9th largest GDP in the WORLD.

These are problems California faces brought on largely by....you guessed it, Californians. Yet Californians seem insistant on blaming the rest of the nation and demanding that the other 49 states take on whatever measures will cure California of her ills.

Hubris is the word that comes to mind.

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Post by shermangeneral on Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:11 pm

Are there offshore drillings on the coast Of Rhode Island?

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Post by Stephanie on Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:17 pm

Not to my knowledge, but I wouldn't be opposed to it if they found oil out there.

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Post by shermangeneral on Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:37 pm

And I would not object to them drilling off the shore of WV. Shocked

But I do object to strip mining, especially mtr.

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Post by Stephanie on Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:47 pm

I object to MTR & strip mining too. I did when I lived in RI.

I also supported off-shore drilling when I lived in the Ocean State.

I would not support drilling in Block Island Sound, or in Narragansett Bay......but out in the open ocean, you bet.

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Post by ohio county on Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:27 am

I think Craig's point is that it should be up to Californians. A majority of them presently support offshore drilling.

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Post by shermangeneral on Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:32 am

I heard one report that the biggest objectors are primarily rich republicans who own the oceanfront property.

But that one was about Florida.

I dont know if that holds true in California or not.

(I have a son who lives right on the beach in SF and he definitely is not a republican.)

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Post by ohio county on Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:52 am

Republicans don't live on the beach - it's too far from work.

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Post by shermangeneral on Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:03 am

ohio county wrote:Republicans don't live on the beach - it's too far from work.

And Democrats don't usually own oceanfront property.

They rent it from rich republicans. Very Happy

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Post by Stephanie on Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:06 am

I had no idea rich Republicans were bankrolling Nancy Pelosi.

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Post by shermangeneral on Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:10 am

Stephanie wrote:I had no idea rich Republicans were bankrolling Nancy Pelosi.

Does she own oceanfront property?

If so I bet a dollar to a donut she is opposed to offshore drilling.

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Post by Stephanie on Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:14 am

What Rich Republicans are renting out this spread?

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Post by ohio county on Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:59 am



Pelosi's Auberge du Soleil as night falls in the Napa Valley...

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