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Post by shermangeneral Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:53 am

Well I hope you remember the folks who want to open up the ballot access process think they will get a fair hearing from him.

And he has been teaching Constitutional Law for many years and is recognized as probably the most knowledgeable of the WV Constitution of all the candidates who have ever run.

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Post by Aaron Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:05 pm

Impartiality.

That's what I believe our judges should possess. Nothing more, nothing less.

Impartiality.
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Post by shermangeneral Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:12 pm

Well Aaron it sounds like you want them legislating from the bench.

Not me.

I want them interpreting and applying the Law guided by the bounds and parameters of the Constitution.

Which they have to know and understand.

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Post by Aaron Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:34 pm

Well Sherm, it looks to me like you probably struggled in your language courses.

im·par·tial

im·par·tial [im prsh’l]
adj
not biased: having no direct involvement or interest and not favoring one person or side more than another
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Post by shermangeneral Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:47 pm

Well I know what impartial means Aaron.

But in the case at hand the criteria is to be impartial as they interpret and apply the law as written.

Which goes back to what I posted earlier.

Impartiality is not the only needed qualification, since a knowledge of the Law and Constitution are obviously necessary as well.

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Post by Stephanie Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:01 pm

I understand that justice is supposed to be blind, but does it have to be deaf and dumb as well?
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Post by Aaron Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:05 pm

shermangeneral wrote:Well I know what impartial means Aaron.

But in the case at hand the criteria is to be impartial as they interpret and apply the law as written.

Which goes back to what I posted earlier.

Impartiality is not the only needed qualification, since a knowledge of the Law and Constitution are obviously necessary as well.

Whatever sherm. If a judge isn't partial, he's worthless regardless of his knowledge.
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Post by SamCogar Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:12 pm

shermangeneral wrote:Well I know what impartial means Aaron.

But in the case at hand the criteria is to be impartial as they interpret and apply the law as written.

Which goes back to what I posted earlier.

Yes Sherman, as usual ........ you are talking "selective prosecution".

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Post by Aaron Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:47 pm

I believe what you want is a judge that will interpret the law and the constitution as you do. The problem is not everyone interprets items the same. For instance, there are those, wrong as they are, that will tell you the general Welfare clause of the US Constitution is what authorizes socialist programs. That is there interpretation based upon their bias.

As I said, they are wrong. Any sane, rational person can easily look up the definition of the word 'welfare' in the late 18th/early 19th century...

Exemption from any unusual evil or calamity; the enjoyment of peace and prosperity, or the ordinary blessings of society and civil government
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...as opposed to how that word is interpreted by today’s socialist with a vote buying agenda...

Aid in the form of money or necessities for those in need; an agency or program through which such aid is distributed.

As you can see, interpretation are up to the individual. You claim that you want a judge that can interpret the constitution and the law yet I've seen you state that Brett Benjamin doesn't deserve to be on the court even though you have no idea whether he knows the law and the WV constitution. You want him off the court because in your mind Don Blankenship bought and paid for him, even though, once again, you have no idea whether that is true or not. You base that on money spent and not any of Benjamin's legal findings.

Myself, I want someone that will look at the facts of a case and base their decision solely on the law regardless of their personal feelings about the case.

Does that clear up your confusion any Sherm?
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Post by shermangeneral Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:52 pm

who among the candidates has better credentials or judicial temperment than Bastress, Aaron?

In your opinion?

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Post by Aaron Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:13 pm

shermangeneral wrote:who among the candidates has better credentials or judicial temperment than Bastress, Aaron?

In your opinion?

I've tried to tell you Sherman, I don't know. Who is running other then Starcher, Maynard and Battress? Robing Davis?

Until I read some of their positions and possibly some of their previous rulings, I won't know. As far as Battress goes, all I did was point out that he announced his campaign by calling for investigations into other justices and questioned whether this is politics as usual.
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Post by shermangeneral Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:24 pm

No that is not all you said. You made accusations that I wanted someone who agreed with my positions, yada yada.

But you don't even know what my positions are.

I am talking about qualifications.

You are the one who obviously wants to know positions.

Not me.

Because a Judicial candidate should not, and under WV law cannot, take positions on issues that may come up.

He/she can however have good qualifications.

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Post by Stephanie Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:46 pm

Because a Judicial candidate should not, and under WV law cannot, take positions on issues that may come up
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It's funny you should take that position, Sherm. So you don't believe nominees to SCOTUS should be grilled about their position on abortion then. In that case, I humbly request you forward that information to the US Senators in your party.

He/she can however have good qualifications.

What do you consider to be good qualifications?
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Post by Aaron Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:01 pm

shermangeneral wrote:But you don't even know what my positions are.

I'd say I got a pretty good idea.
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Post by SamCogar Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:40 am

Aaron wrote:
shermangeneral wrote:But you don't even know what my positions are.

I'd say I got a pretty good idea.

Sherm only has one (1) position, ......... "anti-Republican".

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Post by ohio county Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:39 am

Who is running other then Starcher, Maynard and Battress? Robing Davis?

Former Justice Margaret Workman. Starcher is not running and in probably not electable. A republican from Charleston filed but I cannot remember her name - probably not a good sign.
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Post by shermangeneral Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:35 pm

"I'd say I got a pretty good idea."

Well what do you think my position would be if the Mountain Party wanted to have a Primary Election to nominate candidates to be on the ballot all except Governor and President but on those two offices just let the Party Nominating Committee do it?

(My point with this example is that you need to know what the law says about it and not just what you think is "fair")

That is why I think judicial temperment and scholarly credentials are essential qualifications.

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Post by ohio county Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:53 pm

Yeah, but you also like judges who give the store away to the working man and ignore the law.
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Post by ziggy Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:06 am

shermangeneral wrote:Well what do you think my position would be if the Mountain Party wanted to have a Primary Election to nominate candidates to be on the ballot all except Governor and President but on those two offices just let the Party Nominating Committee do it?

(My point with this example is that you need to know what the law says about it and not just what you think is "fair")

Funny you mention that Sherm, as that is just how the Mt. Party is doing it this year- nominating all candidates other than for governor and president in the primary- with option for the parrty executive committee or the chair to appoint to vacancies in filing- like Democrats and Republicans get- but while nominating candidates for governor & president by party convention.

So if you want to run for an office for which no one has filed on the Mt. Party ticket, write to info@mtparty.org . But do it this week before Saturday or it might be too late.
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Post by Stephanie Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:57 pm

Ziggy,

I thought the filing deadline had alread passed. It has not?
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Post by ziggy Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:21 am

Stephanie wrote:Ziggy,

I thought the filing deadline had alread passed. It has not?

The filing deadline has past, yes.

But party executive committees have until February 25th to make appointments to vacancies in filing (in races in which no candidate for the party filed), and if the executive committee meets and fails to make an appointment, then the Chair of the Executive Committee has 2 more days in which to make an appointment to the vacancy in filing.
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Post by Stephanie Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:23 pm

Thanks for the info.
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Post by shermangeneral Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:57 pm

Well Zig I did not just dream up that scenario. Either you told me or I read it somewhere but I was not picking on you just trying to think of a relevant example of facts to use for explanation.

Everything is just pure partisan politics with these rightwingers.

I still don't think they understand what I meant about knowledge of State and Federal Constitutions, legal scholarship, etc. as necessary parameters in comparing Judicial candidates.

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Post by Aaron Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:23 am

shermangeneral wrote:Well Zig I did not just dream up that scenario. Either you told me or I read it somewhere but I was not picking on you just trying to think of a relevant example of facts to use for explanation.

Everything is just pure partisan politics with these rightwingers.

I still don't think they understand what I meant about knowledge of State and Federal Constitutions, legal scholarship, etc. as necessary parameters in comparing Judicial candidates.

This rightwinger knows exactly what you meant Sherm. IMO, before any individual should be able to sit in a postion with the repsonsibility of the Supreme Court, they should be properly vetted. I don't see how WV is doing that.
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Post by shermangeneral Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:21 am

Well we are doing that right here Aaron.

If anyone knows why Bob Bastress should not be on the WVSC, let him/her speak now.

Likewise with the other candidates.

As for my part, I think Elliott "Spike" Maynard is obviously too comfy/cozy with the big money bandits who are destroying Southern WV.

Your best rejoinder so far is to criticize Starcher, who is not even running.

So your criticism of him is moot.

So I am challenging you to discuss/examine/critique the candidacy of Bob Bastress.

Because he seems to me to be well qualified and objective.

Grounded in knowledge of the Law, State and Federal Constitutions, and no negatives that I have heard of to disqualify him from your consideration.

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