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Post by SamCogar Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:37 pm

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CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- Why was West Virginia, with two-to-one Democratic registration, a Republican "red state" in the 2008 presidential election for a third consecutive time? Seven factors seem apparent: (1) Young Americans voted strongly for Democrat Barack Obama - but this state has the highest ratio of older residents. (2) Educated voters favored Obama - but West Virginia has the lowest rate of college graduates. (3) Blacks overwhelmingly backed Obama - but the Mountain State has few African Americans. (4) Less-religious Americans strongly vote Democratic - but Appalachia's Bible Belt is dominated by white evangelicals, who mostly support the GOP. (5) Gun-lovers generally vote Republican - and this rural state abounds with right-to-bear-arms advocates. (6) A few white West Virginians blatantly voiced racial prejudice in television interviews during the campaign. (7) More affluent professionals favored Obama - but West Virginia is one of the lowest-income states. Older, whiter, less-educated, poorer, gun-packing fundamentalists: That's the formula for a red state.

http://www.wvgazette.com/Opinion/Editorials/200812140347


Now, is there any wonder why newspapers across the US are losing readers and subscribers faster than the Titanic was losing passengers after its encounter with an iceberg?

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Post by ohio county Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:06 pm

I bet Dawn Miller is sorry she ever came here.
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Post by Stephanie Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:29 am

I'm so happy I canceled my subscription when they closed the forum down without notice and refused to help us contact the other members. That paper isn't fit to line a hamster cage.
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Post by ziggy Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:45 am

You can blame the messenger if you want to, Stephanie.

But how do you refute the charge that "West Virginia is one of the lowest-income states. Older, whiter, less-educated, poorer, gun-packing fundamentalists: That's the formula for a red state."?

Using the Gazette to line the bottom of a hamster cage does not change political realities.
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Post by Stephanie Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:52 am

Ziggy,

Perhaps you don't mind the West Virginia Gazette perpetuating stereotypes of West Virginians, but I find it reprehensible.

Furthermore, as a Republican, I take offense to the notion that we're all a bunch of uneducated, fundamentalist, white-trash gun-toting racists. That was the message of this editorial and that is not political reality.

Shame on the Gazette.
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Post by Aaron Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:47 am

Ziggy agrees with the Gazette Stephanie.
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Post by SamCogar Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:03 pm

ziggy wrote:You can blame the messenger if you want to, Stephanie.

But how do you refute the charge that "West Virginia is one of the lowest-income states. Older, whiter, less-educated, poorer, gun-packing fundamentalists: That's the formula for a red state."?

Aaron wrote:Ziggy agrees with the Gazette Stephanie.

Why of course, he actually thinks that was complementing his social status.

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Post by Aaron Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:24 pm

Basically, what the Gazette (I've seen the same type statement from the DNC) is saying is that the democratic party is made up of the well off, educated, enlightened, progressive thinker which begs one question.

Why exactly is it that blue collar/union workers support democrats again?
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Post by ziggy Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:10 pm

Stephanie wrote:Ziggy,

Perhaps you don't mind the West Virginia Gazette perpetuating stereotypes of West Virginians, but I find it reprehensible.

I don't think it is reprehensible if it is based in reality. Sometimes the truth is what hurts.

And so far here no one is even trying to refute the Gazette's charge that West Virginia is a low-income, older, whiter, less-educated, poorer, gun-packing, reliigous fundamentalist, and politically red state.
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Post by ziggy Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:21 pm

SamCogar wrote:
ziggy wrote:You can blame the messenger if you want to, Stephanie.

But how do you refute the charge that "West Virginia is one of the lowest-income states. Older, whiter, less-educated, poorer, gun-packing fundamentalists: That's the formula for a red state."?

Aaron wrote:Ziggy agrees with the Gazette Stephanie.

Why of course, he actually thinks that was complementing his social status.

What social status?
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Post by Stephanie Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:37 pm

ziggy wrote:
Stephanie wrote:Ziggy,

Perhaps you don't mind the West Virginia Gazette perpetuating stereotypes of West Virginians, but I find it reprehensible.

I don't think it is reprehensible if it is based in reality. Sometimes the truth is what hurts.

And so far here no one is even trying to refute the Gazette's charge that West Virginia is a low-income, older, whiter, less-educated, poorer, gun-packing, reliigous fundamentalist, and politically red state.

I have a newsflash for you, Zigster......

That same group of gun-packing, white-trash, racist fundamentalist has kept the Democrats in this state in power for many decades. I guess when it comes to state politics their blood runs blue.

As far as the age of the population, if the Democrats didn't keep taxing everyone and everything to ruin here in the Mountain State perhaps there be a little economic development and our youth wouldn't be quite so quick to flee.
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Post by ziggy Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:20 pm

Stephanie wrote:
ziggy wrote:
Stephanie wrote:Ziggy,

Perhaps you don't mind the West Virginia Gazette perpetuating stereotypes of West Virginians, but I find it reprehensible.

I don't think it is reprehensible if it is based in reality. Sometimes the truth is what hurts.

And so far here no one is even trying to refute the Gazette's charge that West Virginia is a low-income, older, whiter, less-educated, poorer, gun-packing, reliigous fundamentalist, and politically red state.

I have a newsflash for you, Zigster......

That same group of gun-packing, white-trash, racist fundamentalist has kept the Democrats in this state in power for many decades. I guess when it comes to state politics their blood runs blue.

No. When it comes to state politics their choices are mostly between Republican red and Democratic red- two sides of the same political coin. So Joe Manchin ends up being so much like his Republican opponents that voters see no practical difference. So they vote for Manchin and his Democratic Party cronies at the state legislature and elsewhere because they don't know any better- a component of that less-educated thingy.
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Post by SamCogar Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:46 pm

ziggy wrote:What social status?

Does that mean you have been lying to us about all those orgnizations and State groups that you have been claiming affilation with?

Now that admission doesn't surprise me in the least.

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Post by SamCogar Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:38 pm

ziggy wrote:

No. When it comes to state politics their choices are mostly between Republican red and Democratic red- two sides of the same political coin. So Joe Manchin ends up being so much like his Republican opponents that voters see no practical difference. So they vote for Manchin and his Democratic Party cronies at the state legislature and elsewhere because they don't know any better- a component of that less-educated thingy.

GEEEZUS, Zig, you and Shermmy keep repeating the above horseshidt often enough it is apparent you both are having trouble believing it yourself.

Its the same as trying to convince yourself that "My wife is not fooling around", .... "My wife is not fooling around", .... "My wife is not fooling around", .... "My wife is not fooling around", .... "My wife is not fooling around", .... "My wife is not fooling around", ....

When it comes to state politics their only choices are to "tick" the Rooster box on the Ballot or don't "tick" any box at all. HA, one could run an actual refrigerator or a jackass or a Cuban Communist as a Candidate on the Democrat Ticket in WV ...... and they would get as many votes as the other Democrat candidates.

And to really disprove you ignorance and supidity on the subject, ..... tell me, ..... just how is it "that voters see no practical difference at the state politics level because they don't know any better" ...... but they sure as hell see the practical difference at the federal politics level?

Go ahead Ziggy, lay it on me, ......... your best bullshit excuse to CYA on that one.

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Post by ziggy Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:36 pm

SamCogar wrote:
ziggy wrote:What social status?

Does that mean you have been lying to us about all those orgnizations and State groups that you have been claiming affilation with?

Now that admission doesn't surprise me in the least.

I was opposed to strip mining long before I ever even heard of those organizations.

So how does my association with those organizations make for some "social status" or other?
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Post by Stephanie Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:50 pm

ziggy wrote:
Stephanie wrote:
ziggy wrote:
Stephanie wrote:Ziggy,

Perhaps you don't mind the West Virginia Gazette perpetuating stereotypes of West Virginians, but I find it reprehensible.

I don't think it is reprehensible if it is based in reality. Sometimes the truth is what hurts.

And so far here no one is even trying to refute the Gazette's charge that West Virginia is a low-income, older, whiter, less-educated, poorer, gun-packing, reliigous fundamentalist, and politically red state.

I have a newsflash for you, Zigster......

That same group of gun-packing, white-trash, racist fundamentalist has kept the Democrats in this state in power for many decades. I guess when it comes to state politics their blood runs blue.

No. When it comes to state politics their choices are mostly between Republican red and Democratic red- two sides of the same political coin. So Joe Manchin ends up being so much like his Republican opponents that voters see no practical difference. So they vote for Manchin and his Democratic Party cronies at the state legislature and elsewhere because they don't know any better- a component of that less-educated thingy.

Joe Manchin may not be part of the looney-left fringe of the Democratic Party, but he's no Republican and he certainly isn't conservative.

Are you forgetting liberals like Byrd and that socialist Natalie Tennant? Good grief, Ziggy. You're making me think perhaps you need to have your meds checked.
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Post by ziggy Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:20 am

Byrd, the old fomer Klansman fart? Yeah, he is some kind of a "liberal", maybe.

I don't know much about Tennant- though I should get to know her better soon, I suppose.

I voted for Minimah (?) for SOS. Secretarys of State have considerable latitude about how to implement WV's abmbiguous and contradictory election laws. And Democratic Secretary's of State lean heavily toward ruling aginst 3rd party ballot access when there is any ambiguity. There attitude is basically something like, "Look, we'll run this office as we please, and if you don;t like it, f--- you. Then sue us."

But when challenged, the Courts usually overrule them and in favor of the 3rd (or 4th) party.

Betty Ireland was a Republican SOS. She and her staff were not nearly so hard-headed about disallowing ballot access to independent candidates and 3rd/4th parties.
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Post by Stephanie Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:52 am

Has Robert Byrd ever met a spending bill he didn't like?

Charles would have made an excellent SOS. He's intelligent, thoughtful, and values liberty. He respects the Constitution and is a kind, decent, self-made family man.

My mother always taught me when you have nothing good to say about somebody it's better to say nothing at all. I'm going to take her advice and say nothing about Natalie Tennant.
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Post by Aaron Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:22 am

Natalie was the Mountaineer.
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Post by SheikBen Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:43 am

Stephanie wrote:Has Robert Byrd ever met a spending bill he didn't like?

Charles would have made an excellent SOS. He's intelligent, thoughtful, and values liberty. He respects the Constitution and is a kind, decent, self-made family man.

My mother always taught me when you have nothing good to say about somebody it's better to say nothing at all. I'm going to take her advice and say nothing about Natalie Tennant.

"Charles would have made an excellent SOS." --Stephanie


"He's intelligent, thoughtful, and values liberty. He respects the Constitution and is a kind, decent, self-made family man."--Stephanie

If all of this is true, Stephanie (and I greatly respect your judgement), don't you want better for him than SOS? Do the voters really deserve such a man?

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Post by Stephanie Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:42 pm

I'm a West Virginia voter. I believe I deserve him.

I'm also completely convinced that until we elect the Charles Minimahs and the Dan Greears and the Ron Pauls instead of the Natalie Tennants and the Darrel McGraws and the Barack Obamas our liberty will be in peril and our nation continue this downward spiral we've been witnessing. I want to leave something better to my children and grandchildren. I know they deserve Charles Minimah.
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Post by SheikBen Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:52 pm

Yes, THEY do, but WE (the adult voters today) have proven ourselves mores susceptible to slick propaganda than good ideas.

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Post by ziggy Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:14 pm

Again, I doubt that there will be much difference in the kinds of candidates we elect until we change the way election campaigns are financed. Our elections have become little more than political auctions.
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Post by sodbuster Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:33 pm

Zig did you see the money the big money bandits shovelled to Greear and Walker right before the election?

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Post by SheikBen Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:36 pm

ziggy wrote:Again, I doubt that there will be much difference in the kinds of candidates we elect until we change the way election campaigns are financed. Our elections have become little more than political auctions.

I do agree that money plays an infinitely larger role than it should. However, that the voters are so susceptible to advertising is their (our) own fault.

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