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Post by SamCogar on Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:04 am


Workforce West Virginia also compiles lists of the 10 largest public and private employers in each county. The 2010 tally shows boards of education are the biggest employers in 34 of the state's 55 counties.

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Post by Aaron on Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:37 am

This is why we will never see a change in classifying West Virginia teachers as state employees, which we all know that is what they truly are, thus making all teachers unable to hold legislative positions.
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Post by ohio county on Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:33 pm

I didn't realize that was true. I always wondered how they skirted the ethics of holding public employment and public office at the same time...

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Post by Aaron on Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:47 pm

I've read a few years back that the members of the 65% of legislatures had ties to education in that there were either teachers or BOE employees or they had spouses or close relatives in those positions. I've looked for the link but but for the life of me I can't find it. I really wish I could.
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Post by ziggy on Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:44 pm

The biggest associational complaint I hear / see about legislators is that many are lawyers.
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Post by ziggy on Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:47 pm

Aaron wrote:This is why we will never see a change in classifying West Virginia teachers as state employees, which we all know that is what they truly are, thus making all teachers unable to hold legislative positions.

The law says otherwise. So all you gotta do to have it your way is to have the law changed to say that county employees are state employees.
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Post by Aaron on Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:08 pm

The law is the product of a corrupt legislature meant to benefit those who wrote it. It's why our teachers have so much control and why our educational system sucks. You know it. I know it so save your tripe for someone gullible enough for you to impress.

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Post by ziggy on Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:28 pm

"Corrupt legislature" or not, and like it or not, it is still a legal fact that teachers are employees of county boards of education, and not of state government. If you believe otherwise, then bring suit to prohibit county school employees from serving in the state legislature.
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Post by Aaron on Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:04 pm

Yeah Zig, I know all about you and your respect for the law.



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Post by SamCogar on Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:35 am

OH MY, ........ are you serious? affraid affraid affraid

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Post by Aaron on Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:14 am

As much as Zig likes to tout the law and how we should all abide by it, he has no problem disregarding it when it doesn't suit his agenda. Where I come from, there's a word for people like that.
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Post by ziggy on Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:32 am

And you still have not shown that public school teachers are anything but employees of county boards of education. You can whine all you want to about Ziggy's civil disobedience and about a "corrupt legislature". That does not make the law other than what it is- which is that teachers are county employees, not state employees.
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Post by ziggy on Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:35 am

Aaron wrote:As much as Zig likes to tout the law and how we should all abide by it, he has no problem disregarding it when it doesn't suit his agenda. Where I come from, there's a word for people like that.

Yes, we are lawbreakers. Cuff 'im, Danno. So what? Try as you might to deflect from the issue at hand, that still does not make school teachers state employees. The law says that they are county employees.
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Post by SheikBen on Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:02 pm

I've always liked you, Zig, and now I learn that you are a rogue?!?!? Were you protesting something or other?

Anyways best wishes. Not the most flattering shot, though.....

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Post by Aaron on Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:17 pm

ziggy wrote:And you still have not shown that public school teachers are anything but employees of county boards of education. You can whine all you want to about Ziggy's civil disobedience and about a "corrupt legislature". That does not make the law other than what it is- which is that teachers are county employees, not state employees.

I'm not whinning about anything. I believe I have made my case, on here, on similar sites and with my representative in both houses of the legislature. The problem is one of them is a former teacher and the rest know where there bread is buttered and that is in keeping teachers labeled county employees.

And for the record, my representative tried to tell me the same hypocritical garbage you are here and I told him the same thing I'm telling you. County BOE's are divisions of the state BOE, count BOE's derive their funding from the state BOE under guidelines set forth by the state and 95% of teacher salaries are paid by the state under payscales set forth by the state that cannot be altered by the county without affecting state pay. No matter how you slice it, labeling teachers county employees is hypacritical garbage and you know it.

The picture merely proves that when you spout your tripe about the law, that's all it is, tripe. And in that spirit, would you care to take a guess as to what you can do with your Dano comments???

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Post by ohio county on Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:10 pm

A law should not benefit any group over another or over society generally. To say that "this is the law - live with it" is to say that you are willing to accept that the Legislature favors one group over another. I tried, for a long time, to speak in descriptive terms (as opposed to prescriptive terms) and although I can only speak for myself I think we all come here to hold forth on how things "ought" to be.

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Post by ziggy on Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:02 pm

A law should not benefit any group over another or over society generally.

Agreed.

To say that "this is the law - live with it" is to say that you are willing to accept that the Legislature favors one group over another.


I am not saying to live with it. I am saying to stop being in denial about it, and to work to change it from what it is, not from what Aaron and Stephanie have misrepresented it to be. If they want teachers to be state employees, then they need to have the law changed to reflect that.

I tried, for a long time, to speak in descriptive terms (as opposed to prescriptive terms) and although I can only speak for myself I think we all come here to hold forth on how things "ought" to be.

True. And the first part of advocating seriously for how things "ought" to be is to be honest about how they already are.
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Post by ziggy on Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:09 pm

SheikBen wrote:I've always liked you, Zig, and now I learn that you are a rogue?!?!? Were you protesting something or other?

Yeah, we were protesting a 2 billion gallon coal wash sludge pond, a coal storage silo, a MTR strip mine and a coal loading facility all being located within unsafe distances from a local elementary school.

Anyways best wishes. Not the most flattering shot, though.....

Yeah, I know. They cuffed me before I could comb my hair for the camera!
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Post by Aaron on Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:44 pm

ziggy wrote:
Yeah, we were protesting a 2 billion gallon coal wash sludge pond, a coal storage silo, a MTR strip mine and a coal loading facility all being located within unsafe distances from a local elementary school.

Yet you failed to mention the coal wash sludge pond, the coal storage silo, the MRT strip mine and the coal loading facility were all where they are LEGALLY.


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Post by Stephanie on Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:47 pm

Aaron,

It was an act of civil disobedience to protest a dangerous situation.

Want to organize a sit-in over teachers serving in the Legislature? I'll help you spread the word and maybe you and I can get our pictures in the paper too. Just give me a few months.........I seriously need to lose some weight first.........and do something with my hair!

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Post by Aaron on Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:52 pm

ziggy wrote:I am not saying to live with it. I am saying to stop being in denial about it, and to work to change it from what it is, not from what Aaron and Stephanie have misrepresented it to be. If they want teachers to be state employees, then they need to have the law changed to reflect that.

I stated clearly that the reason they are labeled county employees is that so they can serve in the legislature and that it is wrong. Iíve also shown beyond a reasonable personís doubt as to why they are state employees as well as-long before Sam ever posted this study by the way-why the classification wouldnít be changed.

How is anything I've said misrepresented?
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Post by Aaron on Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:54 pm

Stephanie wrote:Aaron,

It was an act of civil disobedience to protest a dangerous situation.

No it was not. It was Ziggy and his fellow environmentalist protesting something they disagree with. The coal loading facility, the silo and the MTR site are all legal and the damn that holds the coal sludge, which the OVEC has repeatedly said is dangerous and could at any moment fail and cover the wee little ones at Marsh Fork Elementary has been found to be safe by engineers at both the DEP and the EPA.

And if Ziggy or his friends have information to the contrary, they should pass it along to the proper authorities, not set in an office of an individual who has no authority to ether regulate or legislate any of the practices.

As for the arrest, the circumstances of why are not relevant. My reason for posting the picture was to demostrate that while Ziggy likes to trump out "the law" when it's beneficial to his agenda, he has no problem disregarding the law when he doesn't fit his needs

I don't know about Rhode Island or Jackson County but I know what we call that in Lincoln County where I come from.




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Post by SheikBen on Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:39 pm

ziggy wrote:
SheikBen wrote:I've always liked you, Zig, and now I learn that you are a rogue?!?!? Were you protesting something or other?

Yeah, we were protesting a 2 billion gallon coal wash sludge pond, a coal storage silo, a MTR strip mine and a coal loading facility all being located within unsafe distances from a local elementary school.

Anyways best wishes. Not the most flattering shot, though.....

Yeah, I know. They cuffed me before I could comb my hair for the camera!

Glad you seem to be no worse for wear. In an era in which folks are increasingly unwilling to sacrifice for what they believe, you do well to be an exception. Try to keep the cuffs off, all the same, Bubba, and may God bless you and yours.

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Post by Cato on Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:51 am

While you people are whining and moaning about the law and Mountain Top Removal, the National Debt reached 92.2 percent of GDP.

Just thought you might be interested!!!

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Post by SamCogar on Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:03 am

ziggy wrote:You can whine all you want to about Ziggy's civil disobedience and about a "corrupt legislature". That does not make the law other than what it is- which is that teachers are county employees, not state employees.

And the State Law gives certain Legislators, family members of Legislators and a few select others the sole right to make or be paid MILLION$ from the proceeds of gambling associated with the Legal act of Dog Racing in WV under the guise of being a Breeder of said dogs.

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