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Post by SFCraig Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:34 am

Stephanie wrote:Whoa, now wait a minute there, Craig. The foreign policy we were promised by Bush on the campaign trail is not the foreign policy we have been getting from President GWB.

True capitalism would require fair trade agreements, not the lopsided nightmares currently in place. It's impossible to compete under these circumstances, especially when you take into consideration it's all being bought & sold with fiat money.

I agree, but the "not what you promised argument" is my point. The GOP benefits from an ill-deserved reputation of being good on the economy, and great on foreign policy. That has not been the case, and Bush is only the most recent evidence of their failures.

Laissez-faire capitalism and globalization have long been a staple of Libertarianism and Free-market capitalism. If you are not fond of it, it would put you outside of mainstream "right-leaning" policy, which has dominated the GOP and DLC Democrats.

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Post by SheikBen Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:54 am

Anecdotally, any group has racists. I can take you to the Moose Lodge and the biggest race whoppers you'll hear are from Democrats.

What I want to take you to task right now for is the immigration issue. Like Affirmative Action, the left has concluded, very unfortunately, that one cannot oppose illegal immigration without being a racist. That is patently unfair.

Bob Jones University no longer holds to it's previous opposition to interracial dating or marriage, and it's unfortunate that they had. Universities and churches change, just like political parties, sometimes for the good, and sometimes for the bad.

The "myth" of the welfare queen has been regularly corroborated by students of mine who have themselves been black. I found that the most vociferous opponents of welfare were my black students who had witnessed the abuse of the system. You've read my thoughts elsewhere on the matter--I do not begrudge anyone who uses social welfare for its intended purposes, although I wish the system would change.

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Post by SFCraig Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:13 pm

True, but as a PARTY, the GOP has deliberately courted the racist vote. I would argue that the famed Reagan Democrats were largely composed of the blue-collar white Democrats who migrated as a continuation of the Southern Strategy.

RE: Immigration: Why now? Why is it during every election year there is a GOP bogey man who also happens to be "people of color"?

Why is it that the Ethnic Minorities (except Arab-Americans) trend towards the Democrats?

How many non-white elected representatives are Republican? Jews? Is this because the GOP won't run them or because GOP voters won't vote for them?

And why is it that even the GOP strongmen acknowledge that if they don't change they will be relegated to permanent minority status in the congress?

Lastly, nobody was ever able to locate the famed "welfare queen". Reagan created this story regardless of the facts that most welfare recipients are and have been white. The Republicans have a way of putting a black face on every issue, even down to their despicable attacks on McCain's Bangladeshi daughter. They perform racist push-polls and pamphlet cars with racist laden messages, and misinform black neighborhoods on the correct election day.

Jesse Helms, unabashedly racist, said he feared a bloc vote..when asked what he meant, he expounded, "the black vote!"

http://www.racematters.org/jessehelmswhiteracist.htm

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Post by Stephanie Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:01 pm

SFCraig wrote:
Stephanie wrote:Whoa, now wait a minute there, Craig. The foreign policy we were promised by Bush on the campaign trail is not the foreign policy we have been getting from President GWB.

True capitalism would require fair trade agreements, not the lopsided nightmares currently in place. It's impossible to compete under these circumstances, especially when you take into consideration it's all being bought & sold with fiat money.

I agree, but the "not what you promised argument" is my point. The GOP benefits from an ill-deserved reputation of being good on the economy, and great on foreign policy. That has not been the case, and Bush is only the most recent evidence of their failures.

Laissez-faire capitalism and globalization have long been a staple of Libertarianism and Free-market capitalism. If you are not fond of it, it would put you outside of mainstream "right-leaning" policy, which has dominated the GOP and DLC Democrats.

I'm outside of what has become the mainstream GOP. I refuse to take the blame for my party being taken over by the Rockefellers and other neocons any more than I will take responsibility for the religious right or the faux "compassionate conservatives."

I am what I am and I continue to believe in and support the very same things true conservatives have been striving toward for a century. This agenda includes a friendly relations with other governments without entangling alliances, free but fair trade, small government, personal liberties & responsibility, and federal branches working within authority the Constitution grants them......not grabbing power from each other, or the states or individuals nor handing their authorities way to private entities like the Fed or to the Executive branch as they repeatedly do by funding undeclared wars.

Robert Taft, Barry Goldwater, and Ron Paul the Republicans I identify with, not GWB, or his father, or even St. Ronald Reagan. For a time I thought I was a dinosaur, but my kind is making inroads on a come back. I still hold out hope for the GOP.


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Post by SamCogar Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:23 pm

SFCraig wrote:
Why is it that the Ethnic Minorities (except Arab-Americans) trend towards the Democrats?

Well "DUH", ........ have you not been listening to all the "promises" being made by Hillary and Obama? $150 to $200 BILLION in additional FREEBIES.

A Democrat can't get elected unless they promise "free this", ..... "free that", ....... "more, bigger n' better entitlements" ........ and make good on their promises.

SFCraig wrote:How many non-white elected representatives are Republican? Jews? Is this because the GOP won't run them or because GOP voters won't vote for them?

Very few are Republican.

Jews don't need to be elected representatives, ...... they are already "the bosses in the back rooms".

"DUH", GOP won't run them? geek geek that's a silly question.

GEEEZUS, it would be downright silly to run as a Republican and be promising the voters you will "raise taxes" ....... and "quadruple entitlements for all those who don't want to work".

No Republican would vote for you .......... and all the Democrats would know you were lying, ...... and I mean Honest-to-God-Lying.

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Post by SheikBen Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:11 am

Craig,

My sister-in-law, from Ecuador, is a GOP voter. She resents that she went through a cumbersome and expensive process (involving marrying my brother, unfortunately for her Very Happy ) that we have decided is after all unnecessary. Is she somehow anti-immigrant?

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Post by ohio county Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:25 pm

Feel free to make that argument if you can back it up. If most registered sex offenders vote Democrat it would be interesting (they have to be voting for someone, no?)

That being said, we KNOW that the racists of today are largely Republicans or Libertarians. This is not an accident as they were courted outright by Nixon, and have been coddled ever since by even the mainstream GOP candidates. The GOP decided to draw the southern racists into the fold.

I give McCain credit for speaking and acknowledging his mistake re: MLK day. It took courage to address a group that most likely will not give him the nod.

The GOP decided to be a home for racists; now if the Dems have decided to court the most unsavory in America that would give me pause, but I would not ignore the facts.

Why does the Sheik have to back up spurious arguments and you do not? When was this decision made? By whom was it made? Many speakers orate in Philadelphia, MS. It is home to a large festival that is held at that time of year. If Jesse Helms was a racist why did he not make the pilgrimmage to Philadelphia, MS? I flew over it once on a flight from Memphis to Houston. Does that make me a racist? Your arguments are silly.

Did the democrats decide to be a home for trial lawyers? Labor unions? Vapid academics?
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Post by SFCraig Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:57 am

ohio county wrote:
Feel free to make that argument if you can back it up. If most registered sex offenders vote Democrat it would be interesting (they have to be voting for someone, no?)

That being said, we KNOW that the racists of today are largely Republicans or Libertarians. This is not an accident as they were courted outright by Nixon, and have been coddled ever since by even the mainstream GOP candidates. The GOP decided to draw the southern racists into the fold.

I give McCain credit for speaking and acknowledging his mistake re: MLK day. It took courage to address a group that most likely will not give him the nod.

The GOP decided to be a home for racists; now if the Dems have decided to court the most unsavory in America that would give me pause, but I would not ignore the facts.

Why does the Sheik have to back up spurious arguments and you do not? When was this decision made? By whom was it made? Many speakers orate in Philadelphia, MS. It is home to a large festival that is held at that time of year. If Jesse Helms was a racist why did he not make the pilgrimmage to Philadelphia, MS? I flew over it once on a flight from Memphis to Houston. Does that make me a racist? Your arguments are silly.

Did the democrats decide to be a home for trial lawyers? Labor unions? Vapid academics?

Are you serious? Do the Democrats court the votes and money of Trial Lawyers, Unions and Academics? Of course. In the same way the GOP courts the anti-abortion vote, which I would contend they have no intention of eradicating.

"Many Speakers" orate? How many announce their candidacy there? And why? Why discuss State's Rights?

And...from today.....http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_hits_back_at_inexperience_charge_0414.html

Republican Davis calls Obama "Boy".......I'm sure he just meant "inexperienced".

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Post by SFCraig Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:03 am

SamCogar wrote:
SFCraig wrote:
Why is it that the Ethnic Minorities (except Arab-Americans) trend towards the Democrats?

Well "DUH", ........ have you not been listening to all the "promises" being made by Hillary and Obama? $150 to $200 BILLION in additional FREEBIES.

A Democrat can't get elected unless they promise "free this", ..... "free that", ....... "more, bigger n' better entitlements" ........ and make good on their promises.

SFCraig wrote:How many non-white elected representatives are Republican? Jews? Is this because the GOP won't run them or because GOP voters won't vote for them?

Very few are Republican.

Jews don't need to be elected representatives, ...... they are already "the bosses in the back rooms".

"DUH", GOP won't run them? geek geek that's a silly question.

GEEEZUS, it would be downright silly to run as a Republican and be promising the voters you will "raise taxes" ....... and "quadruple entitlements for all those who don't want to work".

No Republican would vote for you .......... and all the Democrats would know you were lying, ...... and I mean Honest-to-God-Lying.

.

Not sure I understand. Are you saying that only ethnic minorities accept "handouts"? In spite of the fact that most on welfare are white? How many Asians are on welfare? Or Jews?

RE: Entitlements: As I've said, GWB gave us the largest entitlement in history. Apparently entitlements are a bi-partisan phenomenon.

RE: Jewish representatives, last I checked there were about 12 Jewish Senators, only one of which was Republican (the RINO Arlen Specter).

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Post by SheikBen Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:43 am

SF,

The furor over Davis is damnable. His point was clearly that he doesn't trust Obama to handle a national emergency. The use of the boy statement is no different than I would use to describe anyone whose youth and/or inexperience played into a given situation.

I've said more than once "that boy ain't right" when referring to someone who was not black yet was an adult.

That liberals don't get that just shows that they don't know middle America. There are a great many people who have not yet given up their freedom of speech because it might offend someone, and there are people who are not whatsoever racist who nevertheless speak their minds without a little red book to tell them whether their thoughts are acceptable or not.

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Post by SheikBen Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:46 am

As for the topic of states' rights, Craig, before the 15th amendment, some states allowed African Americans to vote, as it was a states' right. Before the 19th amendment, some states allowed women to vote, as it was the state's right to do so. Before the 13th amendment, some states outlawed slavery, as it was a state's right to do so. The states have, in the past, used their powers for good and not for evil.

Believe it or not, some people want states' rights not because they are racist homophobes, but rather because they believe that was is best for Omaha, Nebraska is not necessarily best for New York City.

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Post by ohio county Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:28 am

You argue with such authority and so few facts.

http://www.neshobacountyfair.org/politics.html

No, there are no candidates for president this year. You've made them all skittish with your spurious arguments.
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Post by SamCogar Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:27 am

SFCraig wrote:
Not sure I understand. Are you saying that only ethnic minorities accept "handouts"? In spite of the fact that most on welfare are white? How many Asians are on welfare? Or Jews?

Yeah, just like it is a fact that most of the married people are female.

And it is a fact that there are more white folk who eat fried chicken and watermellon.

geek geek geek

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Post by SheikBen Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:49 pm

Hi OC,

I've not only been to the South, but even worse, I liked it there. God forbid I ever try to run for office. Why, I'm so horrible that I like the South!! That must mean I oppose Brown v Board of Ed, the 13th amendment, and birth control.

Having moved from the elite North Shore to the very far from elite town of Marseilles (pronounced Marr-sales), two very real facts have been "hammered home." The first is that people in middle America are genuinely happier than the upwardly mobile in the trendy areas. The second is that liberals in upwardly mobile areas have no idea whatsoever what people in middle America think, and may well have more hangups vis a vis race than the people they are so quick to proffer ridiculous hypotheses about.

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Post by SheikBen Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:51 pm

Incidentally it occurs to me that the upwardly mobile part of Marseilles is a trailer park on the hill.

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Post by ohio county Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:30 am

Your point is well-taken. San Francisco, for instance, has such a surplus of expensive government that the black population has been driven to Oakland. African Americans cannot afford to live in the utopia of San Francisco.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/06/17/MN121185.DTL
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Post by SheikBen Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:12 am

OC,

No doubt. I have noticed more than once that the most liberal places in America are either places that people cannot afford to live in (SF, Honolulu, Boston, Manhattan, Chicago's North Shore) or could never afford to buy a house in (Berkeley), or are downright scary places to be (Gary, Indiana, and Detroit).

My last residence was an example not unlike San Francisco. While it touted it's diversity, working class people, particularly African Americans, were only able to purchase houses in certain neighborhoods. The segregation in home ownership was more considerable than it was in Jackson, Tennessee, which, as Craig will tell you, is populated only by two groups, bigots and Democrats.

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Post by SFCraig Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:35 am

Of course you're mostly mistaken. Oakland is beautiful and I'd say more desirable than San Francisco.

Your arguments are apples and oranges actually. Did those "black" neighborhoods start off "black"? No. Poor economies and "white-flight" made them that way.

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Post by SheikBen Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:09 am

SFCraig,

Oakland is more desirable than San Francisco? Then why isn't your screenname OaklandCraig?

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Post by SheikBen Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:10 am

What was I wrong about? Is there a third group in Jackson, children too young to vote Democrat?

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Post by SFCraig Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:31 pm

I live in Oakland, work in SF. My old screenname was only "Craig" but due to the old forum I was never able to login/re-register, so I selected a new name.

You were "wrong" when you mentioned Detroit and Gary; 2 cities where poverty created black migration, aided by white-flight. That poverty and race are linked is undeniable. Not that poverty is limited to race, but rather class. Appalachia is "lower-class" whites, which is due to a variety of stereotypes and prejudices all their own.

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Post by SFCraig Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:38 pm

ohio county wrote:Your point is well-taken. San Francisco, for instance, has such a surplus of expensive government that the black population has been driven to Oakland. African Americans cannot afford to live in the utopia of San Francisco.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/06/17/MN121185.DTL

Even assuming the article is "accurate", it's from 2001--the height of post-dot-com boom. One can hardly blame San Francisco's Government for the plundering by venture capitalists.

Oakland has identical politics to SF or Berkeley, 2 other cities affected by the dot-com boom. Also, Oakland has always been largely African American.

Lastly, housing throughout the Bay Area is extremely expensive. It is the most expensive "real" housing market in the US, making it hard to reach for all ethnicities.

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Post by Stephanie Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:19 pm

OK, so if I stop chewing tobacco and start thinking Malcom X was a great guy, you won't stereotype me any more? LMAO!
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Post by ohio county Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:30 am

dot com/dot shmom.

I suspect rent controls have far more to do with it. The laws of economics mandate that if you fix the price you limit the supply. You folks think you operate outside the natural laws. You are so predictable.

http://www.sftu.org/rentcontrol.html
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Post by SFCraig Thu May 01, 2008 9:07 pm

Piffle. Can I say that without giving royalties to Dan?

In any case, "you suspect" is not "fact", nor based on experience. Could it be you've got blinders on?

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