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Post by shermangeneral on Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:23 pm

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080726/D925LV0G0.html

European leader seem to be anxious to have a US President who will be a good neighbor and respectful of them...

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Post by Aaron on Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:45 pm

It's too bad Europeans don't vote in American elections.
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Post by ziggy on Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:10 pm

And it's too bad Americans don't vote in other nations' elections too, right?
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Post by Aaron on Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:26 pm

I don't want to vote in any other countries election. Who's do you want to vote in?
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Post by Stephanie on Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:16 pm

Why should we care who the Germans want to be POTUS any more than we care who the Syrians or Iranians want to win?

We need to elect a leader who is best for the USA and the American people, not who is best for any other nation or people. America first. You don't think they give a hoot what leader will benefit us when they are voting.

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Post by ziggy on Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:39 pm

Aaron wrote:It's too bad Europeans don't vote in American elections.

ziggy wrote:And it's too bad Americans don't vote in other nations' elections too, right?

Aaron wrote:I don't want to vote in any other countries election. Who's do you want to vote in?

None. Which Europeans do you want to vote in which American elections?
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Post by Aaron on Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:44 pm

None. You?
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Post by ohio county on Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:57 pm

I think Kerry had a similar level of support in Europe. How did that work out for him?

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Post by Aaron on Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:23 am

What about Gore? Do you think he had a similar level of support as well? And don't they love Jimmy Carter over there.

Of course the love David Hasselhoff over there as well.

Enough said.
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Post by TerryRC on Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:26 am

Why should we care who the Germans want to be POTUS any more than we care who the Syrians or Iranians want to win?

Um, just because he spoke in Germany doesn't mean that part of the speech wasn't directed at Americans.

Also, how many voting servicemen do we have in Germany?

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Post by shermangeneral on Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:50 am

Well I think it is positive for Obama to demonstrate he can walk comfortably in the world of International Diplomacy.

Since the pundits say that is his supposedly weakest point.

So in my view this trip at least serves to help negate such criticism.

But even here on the forum this is a pretty clear distinction between us progressives and the more bullheaded right.

It is pretty important to us progressives that we try to get along and avoid strife.

Like Teddy Roosevelt said walk softly but carry a big stick.

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Post by Aaron on Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:26 am

TerryRC wrote:Also, how many voting servicemen do we have in Germany?

I would be greatly surprised if Obama got much more then 25% of the little more then 57,000 service men and women currently stationed in Germany. As has been pointed out many, many times, the military does not vote liberal. That is a simple fact.

As to Sherms claims about his trip, all Obama showed overseas is the same thing he's shown in America, he can give a speech. It by no means showed he is capable of “walking comfortably in the world of International Diplomacy.”

As my daddy used to say, actions speak a hell of a lot louder then words and when Obama's actions speak, it isn't that he's an agent of change, it's that he's just more of the same old 'progressives' that America has rejected during the last two elections. If he wins, it will be a result of Republican screw-up's, not a dramatic shift to the liberal side by American voters.
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Post by SheikBen on Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:23 am

shermangeneral wrote:http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080726/D925LV0G0.html

European leader seem to be anxious to have a US President who will be a good neighbor and respectful of them...

Perhaps a socialist United States could begin to rival Europe's employment figures.

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Post by SheikBen on Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:25 am

Aaron wrote:
TerryRC wrote:Also, how many voting servicemen do we have in Germany?

I would be greatly surprised if Obama got much more then 25% of the little more then 57,000 service men and women currently stationed in Germany. As has been pointed out many, many times, the military does not vote liberal. That is a simple fact.

As to Sherms claims about his trip, all Obama showed overseas is the same thing he's shown in America, he can give a speech. It by no means showed he is capable of “walking comfortably in the world of International Diplomacy.”

As my daddy used to say, actions speak a hell of a lot louder then words and when Obama's actions speak, it isn't that he's an agent of change, it's that he's just more of the same old 'progressives' that America has rejected during the last two elections. If he wins, it will be a result of Republican screw-up's, not a dramatic shift to the liberal side by American voters.

I agree, but your stats, which I do not doubt, raise another question.

Why in hell are 57000 Americans stationed in Germany?

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Post by shermangeneral on Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:00 pm

Well topper sherwood also has a good article on the Obama Diplomatic Mission in today's Gazette on the Perspective front page.

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Post by ohio county on Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:13 pm

It was good if you like fauning fan mail.

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Post by Aaron on Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:13 pm

I have no idea Mike considering the cold war's been over for almost 20 years. Of course we could also ask why there are 34,000 stationed in Japan or 10,000 in England.

If our government wants to save some money, we could start by reducing overseas forces.
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Post by Stephanie on Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:34 pm

TerryRC wrote:Why should we care who the Germans want to be POTUS any more than we care who the Syrians or Iranians want to win?

Um, just because he spoke in Germany doesn't mean that part of the speech wasn't directed at Americans.

Also, how many voting servicemen do we have in Germany?

That isn't the topic of this conversation. The media is making a big to do over the size of his crowds and the way the Germans and other Europeans are totally smitten by Obama, like we should care.

Why should we care what who the people or governments of other nations want to be the next POTUS? Why should that influence voters?

The fact that the Europeans are fawning over him makes me no more likely to vote for him than the fact the Israelis prefer McCain will get me to vote for him. Why should I, or any other American, cast their ballot based upon what is best for anywhere other than America or anyone other than Americans.

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Post by Stephanie on Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:48 pm

SheikBen wrote:
Aaron wrote:
TerryRC wrote:Also, how many voting servicemen do we have in Germany?

I would be greatly surprised if Obama got much more then 25% of the little more then 57,000 service men and women currently stationed in Germany. As has been pointed out many, many times, the military does not vote liberal. That is a simple fact.

As to Sherms claims about his trip, all Obama showed overseas is the same thing he's shown in America, he can give a speech. It by no means showed he is capable of “walking comfortably in the world of International Diplomacy.”

As my daddy used to say, actions speak a hell of a lot louder then words and when Obama's actions speak, it isn't that he's an agent of change, it's that he's just more of the same old 'progressives' that America has rejected during the last two elections. If he wins, it will be a result of Republican screw-up's, not a dramatic shift to the liberal side by American voters.

I agree, but your stats, which I do not doubt, raise another question.

Why in hell are 57000 Americans stationed in Germany?

We don't need them there. It's insanity. We don't need Americans stationed in well over 100 other nations either. Nobody wants to talk about foreign policy, Mike. Don't think for a minute either Senator will do a damn thing to bring our troops home to secure our ports and our borders and not cost the taxpayers a small fortune in travel and moving expenses for themselves and their families.

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Post by TerryRC on Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:55 am

That isn't the topic of this conversation. The media is making a big to do over the size of his crowds and the way the Germans and other Europeans are totally smitten by Obama, like we should care.

Because he wasn't speaking just TO Germans, he was speaking IN Germany. Some of the speech was directed at us, also.

You shouldn't care about WHERE he spoke. You should care about WHAT he said. Was he pandering to Germans in the speech? No. Then he doesn't care who the Germans vote for, either.

I'm not a huge fan of Obama but he isn't the first presidential candidate to speak in another country.

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Post by Aaron on Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:58 am

I agree. Was there this much fuss made when McCain spoke in Canda last month?

The biggest problem I have with it is when he is compared to JFK because both spoke in Germany or because both can give a good speech.

Bush and Reagan were more like JFK then BO is.
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Post by Stephanie on Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:35 pm

Terry & Aaron

I have to be completely honest with you, I don't listen to anything that man has to say. I don't listen to anything McCain has to say either, I stopped a long time ago.

I have no idea what he said in that speech and or what McCain said in Canada. I can't listen to it, I don't want to hear about it. I'm sure that's awful. I'm not interested in them. I'm somewhat interested in some of the 3rd party candidates, but I haven't found anyone running I think I can vote for.

I change the channel or shut off the TV now when they are on. I don't read about them any more. I did manage to hear a few comments about the size of Obama's Germany crowd and how it was larger than the crowds all these American Presidents drew etc. I was commenting on that, who cares?

I've had enough. As things stand today, when I go to the polls in November, I won't be voting for a candidate for the Senate or the House, I'm hoping I don't have to write-in for President, but it's not looking too promising.

I found out something the other night when I was at Charles Minimah's fundraiser. I was telling a friend about the conversation I had with Jay Wolf telling him I wasn't going to vote for him because of his stated position that the US must defend and support Israel and how I had jokingly told someone I want to launch a write-in campaign for them. A write-in candidate must register in this state now! So, I have nobody to vote for in those offices.

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Post by ziggy on Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:17 am

A write-in candidate must register in this state now! So, I have nobody to vote for in those offices.

Yes, in order for his/her votes to be counted, a write-in candidate must regiuster as such. But there is no longer a filing fee to do so. So Jimmy or whomever can go for it.
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Post by Stephanie on Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:23 pm

Jimmy won't do it. He's too smart for that Sad What's your position on proving weapons and bullets and money to buy weapons and bullets to other nations? Care to have me organize a write-in campaign for you? lol Oh wait......you're too smart too. Sad

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Post by SFCraig on Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:29 pm

TerryRC wrote:Why should we care who the Germans want to be POTUS any more than we care who the Syrians or Iranians want to win?

Um, just because he spoke in Germany doesn't mean that part of the speech wasn't directed at Americans.

Also, how many voting servicemen do we have in Germany?

Also, maybe because Bush has proven that we should have real allies to fight wars and build coalitions? Instead of chest-thumping and bragging about being the world's only remaining superpower, we could elicit genuine support?

Just a thought.

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