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Post by ziggy Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:02 pm

Tradition has it that former presidents get a speaking slot at the national conventions. But not at Obama's convention. Not in Denver.

President Jimmy Carter was scheduled to speak at the DNC in Denver. And then, at the last minute, his speech was cancelled. Why?

Because Carter has spoken out about the plight of the Palestinian people?

Because Carter has written a book with the descriptive title: Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid?

Because Obama didn't want to offend the militarist American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)?

“You can’t give him a podium, because people will draw the conclusion” that the Democratic Party supports Carter’s views on the Middle East, said Rep. Jerrold Nadler of New York. “I wouldn’t let him within 100 miles of the convention center, because it would be used by an unscrupulous Republican Party that doesn’t care about the truth in character assassination against our candidate.”

http://www.forward.com/articles/14110/

How can Democrats fawn so over a kook like Kerry, and still choke on Carter?

Blessed are the peacemakers .........................
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Post by SheikBen Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:28 pm

I think their censorship of Carter is cowardly, just as their censorship of Bob Casey, Sr. was.

The national leadership of the Democratic party is a "conspiracy of dunces and jackals."

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Post by Keli Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:00 pm

I think that the Dems dumped Carter because he is dumb and dull. If it had not been for Watergate, Jimmy Carter would never have left the peanut farm.
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Post by Aaron Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:11 pm

They caved becasue of what they THOUGHT the Republican party might do.

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Hell, given our energy situation, they should have brought him on if for no other reason then to say "I told you so"!!!
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Post by Stephanie Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:48 pm

Jimmy Carter is a little dull, but he certainly is not dumb. I think he is a wonderful person and I admire him.
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Post by Keli Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:27 am

Stephanie wrote:Jimmy Carter is a little dull, but he certainly is not dumb. I think he is a wonderful person and I admire him.

Dumb is as dumb does...
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Post by Stephanie Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:34 pm

OK Mr. Gump.

I'll remember that.
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Post by Cato Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:36 pm

Stephanie wrote: I think he is a wonderful person and I admire him.

What's to admire. He was a very weak president and very poor leader.

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Post by Stephanie Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:19 pm

I never said he was a good President. He was lousy. His only accomplishment was the lasting peace he negotiated between Israel and Egypt, but that came at far too heavy a price for Americans and the rest of the world for that matter.

However, since leaving office, he has done a lot of truly wonderful things. Bill Clinton has spent the past 8 years increasing his own personal wealth and his wife's power. George HW Bush has been working to increase his family's wealth and power.

Jimmy Carter has tried to make life better for other people. From America to Africa he has worked tirelessly for the things he told us all along he believes in. He has fearlessly spoken the truth about the evils of Zionism and never wavered in his commitment to peace. For all these reasons and more, I admire the man.
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Post by Cato Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:56 pm

Stephanie wrote:I never said he was a good President. He was lousy. His only accomplishment was the lasting peace he negotiated between Israel and Egypt, but that came at far too heavy a price for Americans and the rest of the world for that matter.

Then it wasn't much of an accomplishment was it. the American public has paid and continues to pay a far to heavy price for our leaders meddling int he middle east and other places around the world.

Stephanie wrote:However, since leaving office, he has done a lot of truly wonderful things. Bill Clinton has spent the past 8 years increasing his own personal wealth and his wife's power. George HW Bush has been working to increase his family's wealth and power.

While I can't argue with you about either Clinton or Bush, Mr. Carter has had his nose a number of places it doesn't belong. The middle east being one. Nothing personal here but I have a tiny bit of a problem with a man that runs to every despot that hates the very ground this nation is on.

Stephanie wrote:Jimmy Carter has tried to make life better for other people. From America to Africa he has worked tirelessly for the things he told us all along he believes in. He has fearlessly spoken the truth about the evils of Zionism and never wavered in his commitment to peace. For all these reasons and more, I admire the man.

The only thing that Jimmy Carter does that I support is supporting Habitat for Humanity. Otherwise his's alot like Clinton, just another politician running around the world to assure his legacy.

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Post by Stephanie Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:21 am

Cato,

Have you read President Carter's book, Peace Not Apartheid? If not I think you should. I get the idea that you have a misunderstanding of what Carter is saying in that book. Basically, he asserts that US funding and support of Israel and siding with Israel in every conflict needs to end. He's not advocating for sending billions of dollars in military aid to Syria or Gaza or anywhere else. He's saying we helped create this problem by militarizing the region and we need to stop rewarding Israeli aggression in the region. He isn't talking about sending more bombs and bullets to the Arabs. He's saying we need to stop sending bombs and tanks etc to Israel. I couldn't agree more.

Do you think it is wrong of Carter to combat tse-tse flies and river blindness in Africa? Really, Carter has done a lot of good for a lot of people all over the world since leaving office.

I think to a limited degree Carter is concerned about his legacy. However, I don't think he places that as his top priority. If he did, he would never have challenged AIPAC and the Zionists in this country. Those folks have lots of power and deep pockets and now they're out to get him.
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Post by Cato Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:34 pm

Stephanie wrote:Cato,

Have you read President Carter's book, Peace Not Apartheid? If not I think you should. I get the idea that you have a misunderstanding of what Carter is saying in that book. Basically, he asserts that US funding and support of Israel and siding with Israel in every conflict needs to end. He's not advocating for sending billions of dollars in military aid to Syria or Gaza or anywhere else. He's saying we helped create this problem by militarizing the region and we need to stop rewarding Israeli aggression in the region. He isn't talking about sending more bombs and bullets to the Arabs. He's saying we need to stop sending bombs and tanks etc to Israel. I couldn't agree more.

No, I have not, nor do I intend to read his book.

As far as what he asserts, I agree, that we should not and never should have supported Israel. However, I also believe as I hope I have made very clear from the beginning of the time I have been posting, that foreign aid or military aid to any nation, no matter who they are or for what reason, is a very bad use of taxpayer dollars.

Stephanie wrote:Do you think it is wrong of Carter to combat tse-tse flies and river blindness in Africa? Really, Carter has done a lot of good for a lot of people all over the world since leaving office.


And I never said he didn't. I did say that one issue to which I agree and support Carter on is his support of Habitat for Humanity. However, I am not aware of all that he does, nor do I care what he supports or does.

Stephanie wrote:I think to a limited degree Carter is concerned about his legacy. However, I don't think he places that as his top priority. If he did, he would never have challenged AIPAC and the Zionists in this country. Those folks have lots of power and deep pockets and now they're out to get him.

On a personal note, I think one of the reasons Carter has made the choice to stand up to the supporters of Israel is for his legacy as is a good deal of the other things he does. However, that is just my perception. You are more than welcome to believe as you desire, however.

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