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Post by Stephanie Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:04 am

Here, you have something of a point. However, do you also object to federal funding for ANY research from which corporation might benefit in the future? Or, do you only apply this objection to stem cell research?

If the government is paying for the research, corporations should not be getting filthy rich at the expense of citizens off of the product of the research. It doesn't matter to me if the government funded research is on stem cells or fruit flies.

This is exactly the sort of research the government should fund. It is very expensive, but there is very little profit to be made from most applications. Most of the prospective treatments involve conditions and diseases which are relatively rare. The example cited at the start of this thread involves perhaps a few hundred, or a few thousand, new cases each year. No company is going to put millions of dollars into a product with that few applications. Now, if there was the possibility of making a man's dick longer, or a woman's boobs bigger, then biomedical companies would be all over stem cell research. But, repairing a few thousand spinal injuries, or a few hundred disease-ravaged brains, just isn't worth it to them.

I don't know who you're trying to kid. Hundreds of thousands of Americans suffer spinal injuries. Hundreds of thousands of Americans live with brain injuries. Millions endure Alzheimer's disease and senile dementia. There are billions to be made off of treatments for diseases and injuries to the brain and spinal column.

As far as how large the embryo is......I subscribe to the theory of the late, great Dr. Seuss. A person's a person no matter how small.
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Post by bmd Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:51 am

Stephanie wrote:
I don't know who you're trying to kid. Hundreds of thousands of Americans suffer spinal injuries. Hundreds of thousands of Americans live with brain injuries. Millions endure Alzheimer's disease and senile dementia. There are billions to be made off of treatments for diseases and injuries to the brain and spinal column.

I doubt that there will be any "products", similar to drugs or apparatus involved. Stem cells will more likely lead to something similar to organ transplants. Each treatment will probably be something of a "one-off" sort of thing, tailored to the individual's needs and immune system. I find it difficult to see how a corporation could make a whole lot of money off of something like that. In any case, do you have similar objections to ALL federally funded biomedical research on the same grounds?

Stephanie wrote:As far as how large the embryo is......I subscribe to the theory of the late, great Dr. Seuss. A person's a person no matter how small.
If that is the reason you object of blastocyst-derived stem cells, then we'll just have to disagree. But, why then hide behind a smoke-screen of "someone might get rich off of this" argument?
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Post by Stephanie Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:12 am

I simply don't know how I can make myself any clearer.

Here, you have something of a point. However, do you also object to federal funding for ANY research from which corporation might benefit in the future? Or, do you only apply this objection to stem cell research?

Stephanie wrote:If the government is paying for the research, corporations should not be getting filthy rich at the expense of citizens off of the product of the research. It doesn't matter to me if the government funded research is on stem cells or fruit flies.

As far as what constitutes a "person" and where life begins......

I don't believe in god, bmd. Nor do I believe people should play god.
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Post by bmd Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:03 am

Stephanie wrote:I simply don't know how I can make myself any clearer.

Here, you have something of a point. However, do you also object to federal funding for ANY research from which corporation might benefit in the future? Or, do you only apply this objection to stem cell research?

Stephanie wrote:If the government is paying for the research, corporations should not be getting filthy rich at the expense of citizens off of the product of the research. It doesn't matter to me if the government funded research is on stem cells or fruit flies.

Well then, essentially what you want is for bio-medical research to come to a halt. No advances ever again. Let the rest of the world figure out how to cure cancer, neuromuscular diseases, HIV, autism, brain trauma, etc., etc., etc. We'll just stop the medical clock right where it is and feel smug that no one profited from the research we wouldn't fund, right?

Fortunately, even the GOP isn't so short-sighted.
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Post by SheikBen Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:15 am

Tell me, bmd, why adult stem cells and umbilical stem cells are as walking to the ocean. Can you direct me to a disease that has been cured by embryonic stem cell use?

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Post by Stephanie Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:57 am

bmd wrote:
Stephanie wrote:I simply don't know how I can make myself any clearer.

Here, you have something of a point. However, do you also object to federal funding for ANY research from which corporation might benefit in the future? Or, do you only apply this objection to stem cell research?

Stephanie wrote:If the government is paying for the research, corporations should not be getting filthy rich at the expense of citizens off of the product of the research. It doesn't matter to me if the government funded research is on stem cells or fruit flies.

Well then, essentially what you want is for bio-medical research to come to a halt. No advances ever again. Let the rest of the world figure out how to cure cancer, neuromuscular diseases, HIV, autism, brain trauma, etc., etc., etc. We'll just stop the medical clock right where it is and feel smug that no one profited from the research we wouldn't fund, right?

Fortunately, even the GOP isn't so short-sighted.

Rephrasing another poster's words must be a trait all socialists share.

I thought all you liberal types abhor corporate socialism. Now you come along and demand we must have it.

Your post makes me wonder how mankind ever got out of caves. Seriously, without Big Brother how was the wheel invented?

I am thoroughly enjoying your scare tactics, bmd. They're very amusing.
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Post by Aaron Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:15 am

bmd wrote:
Right now, stem cell researchers are just beginning to understand how to utilize this technology. It will probably be several years, and I would guess hundreds of millions of dollars, before any marketable products result. Too long a time line, without enough pay-off, for corporations to fund this sort of basic research.


Tell me William, if you're smart enough to figure out that down the line, stem cell research is going to pay off big, why can't the thousands of minions that are involved in pharmaceutical companies figure it out and divert some of their money into research so they have a legitimate right to capitalize on said research.

Or do you favor a system that allows a government funded agency or school do all the wor and once it’s complete, have some giant corporations come in and steal all the profits. That doesn’t seem very socialist to me William, which I would think would draw your opposition.

So what’s up?
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