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Post by bmd Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:18 pm

Election spurs 'hundreds' of race threats, crimes
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Post by SheikBen Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:39 pm

There are idiots on both sides.

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Post by bmd Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:09 am

SheikBen wrote:There are idiots on both sides.

Sorry SB, I seem to have missed the reports of Obama supporters burning crosses and spray-painting racial epithets. Could you point some out to me?
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Post by SheikBen Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:29 am

I know that Obama supporters have done nasty things, too.

It is not fair to judge Obama by everyone that supported him, just as it is not fair to judge McCain by everyone who supported him. I will not endulge you in mentioning the sins of Obama's followers, as I believe them irrelevant to Obama himself.

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Post by bmd Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:43 am

SheikBen wrote:I know that Obama supporters have done nasty things, too.

Ya' mean like carving a "B" into the McCain campaign work's cheek? Oh, wait a minute ... never mind...

SheikBen wrote:It is not fair to judge Obama by everyone that supported him, just as it is not fair to judge McCain by everyone who supported him.

Could you point out where I said that McCain had anything to do with the actions of these knuckleheads?

SheikBen wrote:I will not endulge you in mentioning the sins of Obama's followers, as I believe them irrelevant to Obama himself.

Could that be because they are not really comparable in either number or substance?
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Post by Stephanie Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:23 am

It could just be that Mike has decided to take the same approach as I have. I am not going to seek to tear down our President-Elect before he takes the oath of office. I'm not going to go following up on every rumor about his past, choosing instead to focus on what he does now and in the future. I'm not going to hold Barack Obama responsible for the defiant exhibitionist who took off her shirt in St. Alban's high school cafeteria because he didn't encourage her to do such a thing.

I'm looking to the future with cautious optimism and hoping for the best. I don't have to go digging around looking for crimes and misdeeds of his associates and supporters. If he's a good President I'll be thrilled. When he actually does something to attack then I'll make some noise.
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Post by SheikBen Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:49 am

That's exactly so, Steph. (The NyQ!UIL has not done any damage, happy to see).

Let's see how he does, and then go from there.

As for attacks that STILL come towards McCain and Palin (and Republicans in general), all I can say is that I find them truly fascinating. Not so much the attacks themselves, but the psychology behind them.

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Post by Randall Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:14 am

Anyone else remember what a ghost-town the forum was after Bush beat Kerry? OC and Keli had to sit around exchanging recipes until some leftists finally re-emerged from their counseling sessions. Overall, I'd say conservatives are taking Obama's victory much better.
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Post by ziggy Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:07 am

I'm not going to hold Barack Obama responsible for the defiant exhibitionist who took off her shirt in St. Alban's high school cafeteria because he didn't encourage her to do such a thing.

My reading of that was that she was instructed by school officials to take off that shirt. He "defiant" attitude seemed to be no greater than that of school officials.

But I would agree that, either way, we should not hold Obama responsible for it.
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Post by bmd Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:30 pm

Stephanie wrote:I'm not going to hold Barack Obama responsible for the defiant exhibitionist who took off her shirt in St. Alban's high school cafeteria because he didn't encourage her to do such a thing.

Oh yeah, that's comparable to burning crosses on peoples lawns, spray-painting "Go back to Africa" on houses, hanging effigies of black men from trees, and talking about starting the "Obama shotgun pool".

Thanks for pointing out such an "atrocity" on the part of an Obama supporter.
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Post by bmd Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:35 pm

ziggy wrote:My reading of that was that she was instructed by school officials to take off that shirt.

That'll show them!!!

I guess she won the argument with a couple of good points!!!

Well, the boobs asked for it!!!

(Sorry, SOMEONE had to say it.)
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Post by Stephanie Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:45 pm

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I'm not going to hold Barack Obama responsible for the defiant exhibitionist who took off her shirt in St. Alban's high school cafeteria because he didn't encourage her to do such a thing.

My reading of that was that she was instructed by school officials to take off that shirt. He "defiant" attitude seemed to be no greater than that of school officials.

But I would agree that, either way, we should not hold Obama responsible for it.

How many times, and by how many different administrators had that girl been told to change her shirt before she decided to make a public spectacle of herself in the cafeteria?

I thank all that is good in the universe my daughter has more class, more self-respect, and more sense than to pull such a stunt. What is wrong with people today? This teenager does such a thing and rather than punish her, her parents allow her to give interviews to the press?

Sore losers my ass. Sounds more to me like some Obama supporters are sore winners.
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Post by bmd Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:18 pm

A teenager taking off her shirt? Is that the worst example to which anyone can point?

I still haven't heard any examples of Obama supporters committing acts anywhere near as egregious as those committed by the other end the political spectrum.
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Post by Stephanie Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:28 pm

I'm sorry, bmd. I haven't the time, energy, or desire to go digging up dirt on Obama supporters. In addition to having a dreadful cold, I'm a busy woman and have much better things to do with my time.
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Post by bmd Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:42 pm

Stephanie wrote:I'm sorry, bmd. I haven't the time, energy, or desire to go digging up dirt on Obama supporters. In addition to having a dreadful cold, I'm a busy woman and have much better things to do with my time.

Colds, and flying coach, are the great equalizers. I can empathize.

However, if you're going to make a statements as if they are factual, then you should be prepared to back them up. SheikBen seems to agree with you, and I haven't seen anything to support such views from him either.
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Post by Stephanie Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:58 pm

How about firing guns and slapping cops?

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1262579,barack-obama-election-crimes-110508.article

Not everyone behaved themselves when celebrating U.S. President-elect Barack Obama’s historic win Tuesday night.

Some fired gunshots, a felon accused cops of arresting him “because a black man won for president” and a teenager standing with throngs of passionate revelers used the opportunity to slap a police officer, Cook County prosecutors said.

“White bitches. F--- McCain. You white police can’t do nothing,” 19-year-old Celita Hart taunted officers as she stood with a throng of Obama supporters in the 6900 block of South Western Avenue, Assistant State’s Attorney Lorraine Scaduto said in a court Wednesday. At some point, authorities said, Hart left the crowd, which had been chanting “Obama, Obama,” walked up to a squad car, and smacked a male officer in the face.

Hart was one of a half-dozen charged in Election Night-related arrests. A slew of others facing weapon and reckless discharge violations appeared in central bond court.

None of the incidents occurred in Grant Park, where Obama addressed a giddy crowd of 240,000 late Tuesday.

West Sider Narada Thomas, 23, told police he shot a .22-caliber revolver in the air to “celebrate Obama becoming president,” Scaduto said. And 37-year-old Andre Murph, of Aurora, shot a 9mm into the ground several times in the 700 block of West 60th Place to express his joy, Scaduto said.

“It was an exciting night,” Murph’s attorney James E. Thompson shrugged before Judge Israel Desierto.

While Kenneth Smith, a 24-year- old felon, never stated why he fired three rounds at his residence, in the 6700 block of South Ada Street, he complained that officers only arrested him “because a black man won for president,” Scaduto said.

Peer pressure seemed to get the better of 54-year-old Joseph Morgan, who allegedly was caught holding a .22-caliber gun in the air on his back porch in the 5700 block of South Lowe Avenue.

His excuse, according to prosecutors?

“Everybody else is shooting their guns, I figured, ‘Why not?’ ”
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Post by Stephanie Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:11 am

btw.....

You're not from WV but I thought you may be interested in reading the article for yourself. I want to point out what this girl had written on the back of the shirt.

The back of the shirt read: "I'm John McCain and I approve this message. Call it the Black House!"

http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200811120852
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Post by bmd Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:44 am

These example you cite are equivalent to cross-burnings and images invoking lynchings? I think not.
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Post by SheikBen Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:23 am

Stephanie don't play bmd's game.

Even after winning he wants to condemn the losers in the some way.

Let's see how Obama does. And if he does as poorly as we fear, let's have a cogent redress for his policies. The left has shown itself really good at propaganda and the American public has shown itself really susceptible to it. If Obama does well, very good. If he does poorly, let his actions speak for themselves.

But as far as the bmd's of the world, we could be in a 200 year recession and it would still be Bush's fault. One Republican could divorce his wife out of a million and it would be John McCain who convinced him to do it. There's no sense trying to go tit for tat with the man. He is a true believer, and no amount of evidence will engender within him any sceptism. How ironic is his mocking of Christianity.

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Post by SheikBen Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:25 am

bmd wrote:
Stephanie wrote:I'm sorry, bmd. I haven't the time, energy, or desire to go digging up dirt on Obama supporters. In addition to having a dreadful cold, I'm a busy woman and have much better things to do with my time.

Colds, and flying coach, are the great equalizers. I can empathize.

However, if you're going to make a statements as if they are factual, then you should be prepared to back them up. SheikBen seems to agree with you, and I haven't seen anything to support such views from him either.

I have said that a candidate should not be held accountable for everyone who agrees with him.

There are losers and putzes on both sides. That you cannot accept this shows that you are unable to appreciate any flaws in your movement. It would seem that you believe that four legs are good and two legs are bad, and any additional exposition is unnecessary.

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Post by Stephanie Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:38 am

Mike,

I realize that you are absolutely correct. I have no intention of blaming Obama for the bad acts of a minority of his supporters. Although I did not support or vote for Senator McCain, I do wish he would be extended the same courtesy. I'm a dreamer, you know!
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Post by ziggy Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:00 am

I thank all that is good in the universe my daughter has more class, more self-respect, and more sense than to pull such a stunt.

Class? Class!?

Class and self-respect are relative to mostly what we think about them. One person's "class" is another person's snobbish elitism. We need more anarchists- people- including young people- willing to not knuckle under to politically correct overseers.

I am sure that your daughter is a fine, well-behaved young lady- of whom you are rightfully proud. But your values and your family values are "good" only in the context of your social system.

If we can't see the humor in a spoof of the "White House" having become a little less lilly white, then we need a better developed sense of humor.
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Post by bmd Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:31 am

Stephanie wrote:Mike,

I realize that you are absolutely correct. I have no intention of blaming Obama for the bad acts of a minority of his supporters. Although I did not support or vote for Senator McCain, I do wish he would be extended the same courtesy. I'm a dreamer, you know!

Again, I have NEVER blamed McCain for the actions of these sore losers. I'm just pointing out some very bad behaviors by many of those on the right in the wake of Pres-elect Obama's historic victory. That some on this board fail to recognize the severity and the seriousness of these behaviors speaks volumes. Similar indifference to such behaviors is what emboldens those such as skinheads, neo-nazis, and the KKK. If you cannot bring yourselves to condemn their threats, you are laying the groundwork for their eventual deeds.
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Post by Stephanie Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:36 am

ziggy wrote:
I thank all that is good in the universe my daughter has more class, more self-respect, and more sense than to pull such a stunt.

Class? Class!?

Class and self-respect are relative to mostly what we think about them. One person's "class" is another person's snobbish elitism. We need more anarchists- people- including young people- willing to not knuckle under to politically correct overseers.

I am sure that your daughter is a fine, well-behaved young lady- of whom you are rightfully proud. But your values and your family values are "good" only in the context of your social system.

If we can't see the humor in a spoof of the "White House" having become a little less lilly white, then we need a better developed sense of humor.

So tell me, where would the humor have been if the situation was reversed? If Senator McCain had won and a white girl came to school wearing a t-shirt that read "John McCain Got 'Em Hate on It" on one side, and "It's Still the White House" on the other"?

Would that be classy?

You can spin this whatever way you like. That girl was being disrespectful and hateful. She showed zero sense of decency. She chose to strip down to her bra in a cafeteria full of hormone crazed teenaged boys.

Yes, my daughter has a lot more self-respect than that and I am grateful. I have tried to instill certain values in her but I can't control her 24/7. At 17 she is her own person. I would like to reiterate that had Kate pulled such a stunt, she wouldn't be giving interviews to the Gazz and having her picture taken.
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Post by ziggy Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:50 am

So tell me, where would the humor have been if the situation was reversed? If Senator McCain had won and a white girl came to school wearing a t-shirt that read "John McCain Got 'Em Hate on It" on one side, and "It's Still the White House" on the other"?

Would that be classy?

A great many folks would have considered it so, yes.

That girl was being disrespectful and hateful. She showed zero sense of decency. She chose to strip down to her bra in a cafeteria full of hormone crazed teenaged boys.

Oh spare me the smug outrage. You and I know that if this were not about the "politically incorrect" message she was wearing, the "strip down to her bra" part would not have been a blip on anyone's radar- other than maybe that of a couple of those "crazed teenage boys" .
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