The reason Ziggy don't want no 'nation building'

WASHINGTON — The Bush administration inherited a mess in strategic Somalia and may be leaving President-elect Barack Obama with a worse one.

The explosion of piracy off Somalia's coast is an attention-grabbing product of internal chaos in the Horn of Africa country, and a problem that will outlast the administration's success this past week in winning U.N. backing for possible pirate-hunting raids on Somali territory.

Bandits are taking over more and larger ships and ranging farther from land to do it. Last month they seized a Saudi oil tanker carrying $100 million worth of crude.

The larger problem, however, is the hollowness of nearly every institution that makes a working country, despite more than 15 years of international help. The Somali pirates may be bandits and thugs, but they also are entrepreneurs making do in a place without a functioning government, laws or normal commerce.

The resolution sets up the possibility of increased American military action in Somalia, which has not had an effective government since 1991, when warlords overthrew a dictatorship and then turned on one another.

A U.S. peacekeeping mission in 1992-93 ended with a humiliating withdrawal of troops after a deadly clash in Mogadishu, the capital, as portrayed in the movie "Black Hawk Down." A massive U.N. humanitarian program withered.

The country is now at a dangerous crossroads.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/US_President_And_White_House_Advisers/US_Somalia.html

YUP, Ziggy says don't be messing with those countries, ...... let them do their thing ............... because they ain't hurting anyone.



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When the 1st President Bush sent troops to Somalia in December 1992, he said the mission could be accomplished within about 6 weeks- that those troops would be home by the time Clinton was to be nominated in January '03. Like most rose colored glasses gazes into the future, that proved to be monumentally over-optimistic.

As to "nation building", presidential candidate George W. Bush spoke against it before, as president, he was for it.

During the 2000 campaign, George W. Bush argued against nation building and foreign military entanglements. In the second presidential debate, he said: "I'm not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say, 'This is the way it's got to be.'"

During a debate with then-Vice President Al Gore on Oct. 11, 2000, in Winston-Salem, N.C., Bush said: "I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building. . . .”

But if we call it something else, like "regime change", apparently it's OK.

With a president who tries to have it both ways, how can the people be anything other than skeptical of his judgment and of his motives?

There you go showing your ignorance again Ziggy. Bush 1 committed troops to UNISOM 1, which was the mission to deliver relief and medical supplies, was winding down by the time Clinton took office in January 93.

By March of 93, the UN decided they need to build up Somalia and thus UNISOM II began and this was the 'nation building aspect of the conflict with Somalia and it was Clinton who committed the US to UNISOM II, not Bush.

ziggy wrote:With a president who tries to have it both ways, how can the people be anything other than skeptical of his judgment and of his motives?

Zig, and just what the hell does it matter what President and/or what that President's judgment was or was not relative to my above post?

I believe the subject in question is ......... what the hell is your judgement on "nation building" worth?

Not George's or Bills or Bob's or Mary's or Jane's or the dog's or the cat's or the alligator's judgement ...................

YOUR judgment, .... Ziggy, ....... YOUR JUDGMENT.

Zig, quit blaming all your problems, mistakes, errors, ignorance, stupidity and BAD JUDGMENT onto someone else.

President Bush, President Clinton nor anyone else is at fault or to blame for your above stated attributes.

Just you, little man, just you.

You had choices and you made them ...... and apparently, ....... sorry about that.




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SamCogar wrote:

ziggy wrote:With a president who tries to have it both ways, how can the people be anything other than skeptical of his judgment and of his motives?

Zig, and just what the hell does it matter what President and/or what that President's judgment was or was not relative to my above post?

It matters because the president, not Ziggy, is the Commander-in-Chief who tries to have it both ways by saying one thing while doing something else.

I believe the subject in question is ......... what the hell is your judgement on "nation building" worth?

What is my judgment on the matter worth? Probably about the same as yours is, Sam- so you tell us.

Zigster, it is no wonder you stayed at your garage 7 days per week .... until bout midnight every one of those days.

I can't imagine any wife putting up for very long with the crap that spews from your mouth. Ten or so minutes per day would be more than enough time that anyone could tolerate it.


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