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Post by sodbuster Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:00 pm

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/18049.html

Well it appears even rightwing republicans have had all of Limbaugh they want.

They recognize it is easy to just be a grandstanding gasbag, but these are perilous times for the country and that stuff has no place.

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Post by Aaron Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:19 pm

Responding to President Obama’s recommendation to Republican congressional leaders last week that they not follow Limbaugh’s lead, the conservative talkmeister said on his show that Obama is “obviously more frightened of me than he is Mitch McConnell. He's more frightened of me, than he is of, say, John Boehner, which doesn't say much about our party."

Rep. Phil Gingrey, R-Ga., did not take kindly to this assessment in an interview with Politico Tuesday.

“I think that our leadership, Mitch McConnell and John Boehner, are taking the right approach,” Gingrey said. “I mean, it’s easy if you’re Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh or even sometimes Newt Gingrich to stand back and throw bricks. You don’t have to try to do what’s best for your people and your party. You know you’re just on these talk shows and you’re living well and plus you stir up a bit of controversy and gin the base and that sort of that thing. But when it comes to true leadership, not that these people couldn’t be or wouldn’t be good leaders, they’re not in that position of John Boehner or Mitch McConnell."
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Post by ohio county Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:48 am

ohio county wrote:Phil Gingrey is a GOP leader? I never heard of him until this morning. I'm more fed up with republican leaders than I am with Rush Limbaugh. He'd didn't piss away a Congressional majority. Why do you want even rightwing republicans to get fed up with Limbaugh? Because progressives cannot compete with him? I'm fed up with Al Franken and the sob isn't even elected yet!

Limbaugh to previously unknown "leaders":
"...He may not have noticed that the number of Republican colleagues he has in the House has dwindled. And they will dwindle more if he and his friends don't show more leadership and effectiveness in battling the most left-wing agenda in modern history. And they won't continue to lose because of me, but because of their relationship with the grassroots, which is hurting. Conservatives want leadership from those who claim to represent them. And we'll know it when we see it.”

Ditto.
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Post by sodbuster Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:30 am

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Post by Aaron Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:02 pm

Like it or not Sod, Rush is 100% right.
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Post by SheikBen Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:17 am

When Republicans listen to the likes of Sod and MSNBC, we nominate Bob Dole and John McCain, who proceed to get destroyed.

When Republicans listen to the likes of Rush Limbaugh, we nominate George W Bush and Ronald Reagan, who were both elected twice.

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Post by SheikBen Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:18 am

Incidentally, Bush beyond flubbed the housing crisis. The government encouraged the bad loans that the banks were making. If he had any huevos at all he could have made that a winner issue and buried Dodd and Frank, but again the cajones were absent.

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Post by Cato Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:15 am

Sheikben you hit the nail on the head. The problem is that very few politicans have the gonads to stand on principle. It takes courage to do so. Courage is one thing that 99.9% of politicans lack.

I think that is why you see the public swing back and forth between democrats and republicans. The public is looking for someone who will stand on principle and who is ethical. Neither party seems to have anyone of that caliber, so the public swings back and forth looking for such an individual.

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Post by sodbuster Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:45 am

"When Republicans listen to the likes of Rush Limbaugh, we nominate George W Bush and Ronald Reagan, who were both elected twice."

Well Sheik surely you are not proud of that.

Reagan ran up bigger deficits and national debt than anyone up to that time.

And then GW Bush went even further and now has the all time record for deficit spending.

Reagan stupidly sent the Marines into harm's way in the mideast and when their barracks was bombed and killed over 200 of them what did he do?

He made a big speech to the nation how he would not cut and run and promptly went on vacation and gave the order to cut and run.

And Bush stupidly got us entangled in Iraq and here we are stuck trying to occupy a country halfway around the world pouring blood and treasure diown a rathole.

Please dont tell me you are proud of that.

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Post by ohio county Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:16 am

You mean we shouldn't want to elect presidents? We should probably just be happy with the democrats who get elected.

Can you hear yourself? Surely you understand that we disagree...
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Post by Cato Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:30 am

sodbuster wrote:"When Republicans listen to the likes of Rush Limbaugh, we nominate George W Bush and Ronald Reagan, who were both elected twice."

Well Sheik surely you are not proud of that.

Reagan ran up bigger deficits and national debt than anyone up to that time.

And then GW Bush went even further and now has the all time record for deficit spending.

Reagan stupidly sent the Marines into harm's way in the mideast and when their barracks was bombed and killed over 200 of them what did he do?

He made a big speech to the nation how he would not cut and run and promptly went on vacation and gave the order to cut and run.

And Bush stupidly got us entangled in Iraq and here we are stuck trying to occupy a country halfway around the world pouring blood and treasure diown a rathole.

Please dont tell me you are proud of that.

And you are proud of Jimmy Carter and the 444 days the embassey in Iran was held, because Carter lacked any balls and Iran knew it. Now, when ws it exactly that the hostages were released. Oh yea, Reagan's inauguration day. Why, because the Irans knew Reagan was going to kick their butts.

Remember Mummar Kadefy, now who was it that stopped him from supporting and sponcering terrorism. Hint, it wasn't Carter! It wasn't Clinton! It was Reagan.

I guess you are proud of Clinton who used the miltiary to deflect the public's attention from his personal problems. You know that if you are going to condemn Bush for Iraq or Reagan for Lebannon, then you automatically have to condemn Clinton for Bosnia.

Yea, Reagan run up the debt. What you and your ilk seem to fail to mention, it was a democratic congress that went right along and voted for all the increases in spending. Let me remind you that the Speaker of House was none other than Tipp O'Neal (D) . That is the one thing I hold against the Reagan presidency. On the other side of the coin he was a patriot who believed the the greatness of this nation and the ability of its people.

I'll say this because few others that post here have the guts to. The man (and use the term loosely) just elected to the whitehouse is neither a patriot nor does he believe in the greatness of this nation or the ability of its people. The greatest threat to the well being of the United States of America is not the muslim extremists or North Korea, or China, or Russia. The greatest threat to this nation is the democratic party, the republican party leaders who have abandoned their principles, and the blind idiots, like you, that have sold your soul to the democratic party.

Now what do you think of that Sod!!!!

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Post by ziggy Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:32 am

ohio county wrote:You mean we shouldn't want to elect presidents? We should probably just be happy with the democrats who get elected.

Can you hear yourself? Surely you understand that we disagree...

So OC, tell us again how pleased you are (were) with George W. Bush as president.
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Post by Aaron Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:33 am

sodbuster wrote:Reagan stupidly sent the Marines into harm's way in the mideast and when their barracks was bombed and killed over 200 of them what did he do?

He sent in Marines as part of an multinational force as a response and support of Israel's invasion of Lebon to remove the PLO.

Aren't you a big supporter of unconditional support of Israel which means you supported Reagan's intervention on behalf of Israel.

As for his response, he approved bombings of both Syria and Iran which he should have stuck to instead of listening to the Democraticly controlled Congress.

At the same time, U.S. President Ronald Reagan was pressured for a troop withdrawal from Lebanon by Congress. These calls were increased after the Lebanese PM and his cabinet resigned February 5. Shiite and Druze militiamen began fighting outside Beirut on February 6 and threw the capital into chaos. Reagan ordered the 1,700 Marines to begin withdrawing on February 7. The Italians pulled out on February 20; the Marines followed on February 26. The last French troops left on March 31.

Yes, Reagan should have bombed the hell out of Lebonan, Syria and Iran for Hezbollah's cowardly acts. Perhaps if he had, we wouldn't be where we are today. But it's not as black and white as you make it out to be. Seems you've glossed over some of the facts to support your version of history on this incident.
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Post by sodbuster Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:35 am

Well OC I want to see a good, competitive two party (or more) system.

But by retreating to your hard-core rightwing base and just being obstructionist you guys are marginalizing yourself.

I am just trying to help. Very Happy

I am sorry the Sheik has no better examples than GW Bush and Reagan but that's the facts.

Better for you guys if you proclaim a better vision for future republican leaders than looking back to the legacy of Bush and Reagan.

Just my opinion.

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Post by ziggy Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:39 am

Yea, Reagan run up the debt. What you and your ilk seem to fail to mention, it was a democratic congress that went right along and voted for all the increases in spending. Let me remind you that the Speaker of House was none other than Tipp O'Neal (D) . That is the one thing I hold against the Reagan presidency. On the other side of the coin he was a patriot who believed the the greatness of this nation and the ability of its people.

So did Reagan not know how to use that veto pen? If he really were a "patriot who believed in the greatness of this nation and the ability of its people" he would not have been so complicit in burdening them with such obscene amounts of monetary debt.
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Post by ziggy Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:44 am

Cato wrote:...................... I'll say this because few others that post here have the guts to. The man (and use the term loosely) just elected to the whitehouse is neither a patriot nor does he believe in the greatness of this nation or the ability of its people. The greatest threat to the well being of the United States of America is not the muslim extremists or North Korea, or China, or Russia. The greatest threat to this nation is the democratic party, the republican party leaders who have abandoned their principles, and the blind idiots, like you, that have sold your soul to the democratic party.

Now what do you think of that Sod!!!! CATO

Cato, I expect one or two others here to resort to the "you are an idiot" self-defining cliche when they run out of anything substantial to say.

But you are usually a better man than that.
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Post by sodbuster Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:50 am

Lovin' eyes never see, Zig.

They cannot deny the facts stated above, so they just rationalize them.

i.e. It's not reagan's fault he ran up record debt, Tip Oneil made him do it.

And it was not really reagan who sent in those Marines into a stupid situation, they were under the U.N.

Cato thinks reagan was some kind of hero because he had that aw shucks attitude and spun a good yarn.

But facts are stubborn things sometimes.


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Post by ziggy Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:55 am

Yes, Reagan should have bombed the hell out of Lebonan, Syria and Iran for Hezbollah's cowardly acts. Perhaps if he had, we wouldn't be where we are today. But it's not as black and white as you make it out to be. Seems you've glossed over some of the facts to support your version of history on this incident.

Usually the primary effect of "bombing the hell' out of nations is to kindle the fires of the devil in their people. And it seems to be especially so in Muslim countries. They just love having another reason to hate the Great Satan.
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Post by ziggy Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:06 pm

Sheikben you hit the nail on the head. The problem is that very few politicans have the gonads to stand on principle. It takes courage to do so. Courage is one thing that 99.9% of politicans lack.

I think that is why you see the public swing back and forth between democrats and republicans. The public is looking for someone who will stand on principle and who is ethical. Neither party seems to have anyone of that caliber, so the public swings back and forth looking for such an individual.

Cato

On the other hand, why would someone who is personally principled and ethical run for public office when the voters are so fickle and unfocused? Should we really expect to elect to public office individuals who are any more politically principled and politically ethical than the voters themselves are?
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Post by Aaron Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:30 pm

What facts Sodbuster?

All I see from your post is the stuff fairly tales are made of.
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Post by Cato Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:08 pm

sodbuster wrote:Lovin' eyes never see, Zig.

They cannot deny the facts stated above, so they just rationalize them.

i.e. It's not reagan's fault he ran up record debt, Tip Oneil made him do it.

And it was not really reagan who sent in those Marines into a stupid situation, they were under the U.N.

Cato thinks reagan was some kind of hero because he had that aw shucks attitude and spun a good yarn.

But facts are stubborn things sometimes.
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Post by Cato Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:09 pm

Dear Ziggy,



YAWN !!!!





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Post by Cato Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:16 pm

Aaron wrote:What facts Sodbuster?

All I see from your post is the stuff fairly tales are made of.

Sod offers no facts to backup anything he says ever. What he does is either repeat the party line or scuff off and pout. He's like a big Obama democrat where I live. There are no facts only the party line. You don't ever confuse him with facts. He condemns Reagan and Bush for deficit spending and yet look at what his own party is doing.

We become more like Germany in the 30's everyday. People, like Sod, stand awe struck and never ever once consider what is being said or how it will affect them.

It is sickening really.

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Post by sodbuster Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:45 pm

"Sod offers no facts to backup anything he says ever"

Fact #1 (cited in above post):

Reagan ran up the biggest deficits in history and added more to the National debt than any other President in history (also was the first Pres to raid the Soc Security funds).

Fact #2:

Reagan sent the Marines into Lebanon into a stupid situation where over 200 were killed in one fell swoop.

After which he pulled up stakes and left, leaving the Marine murders unavenged.


Fact #3

Bush ran up even bigger deficits and national debt than even Reagan.

He also launched a pre-emptive attack against a country that had not attacked us, resulting in over 4,000 young American lives and left us occupying a country halfway around the world who does not want us there.

Letting the real enemy slink away at Tora Bora into the mountains where he still openly taunts us to this day.


But rather than acknowledge what your guys did nor even apologize for their actions you question the patriotism of President Obama and myself. Shamelessly pretending to be more patriotic than we are.

Because like they say "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

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Post by ohio county Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:51 pm

The nation's budget deficit will soar to an unprecedented $1.2 trillion this year, congressional budget analysts said yesterday, a startling tide of red ink that could dampen enthusiasm on Capitol Hill for some of President-elect Barack Obama's most ambitious priorities.

In the first official estimate of the damage done to the nation's finances by a weakening economy and various financial-sector bailouts, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reported that the gap between government spending and available revenue will exceed 8 percent of the overall economy by the end of September, a chasm not seen since the end of World War II.[emphasis mine)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/07/AR2009010701156_pf.html
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