The emperorama's new clothes...

Not long ago, after a string of especially bad days for the Obama administration, a veteran Democratic pol approached me with a pained look on his face and asked, "Do you think they know what they're doing?"

The question caught me off guard because the man is a well-known Obama supporter. As we talked, I quickly realized his asking suggested his own considerable doubts.

Yes, it's early, but an eerily familiar feeling is spreading across party lines and seeping into the national conversation. It's a nagging doubt about the competency of the White House.

It was during George W. Bush's second term that the I-word - incompetence - became a routine broadside against him. The Democratic frenzy of Bush-bashing had not spent itself when a larger critique emerged, one not confined by partisan boundaries.

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"I’ve abandoned free market principles to save the free market system."

--George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 16, 2008

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/16/bush-free-market/

ziggy wrote:"I’ve abandoned free market principles to save the free market system."

--George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 16, 2008

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/16/bush-free-market/

Sure he is just a community organizer but I say let's give him a chance...what have we got to lose?

No, he's not "just a community organizer". Like little Georgie Bush, for better or for worse, he the POTUS. Get use to it- like the rest of us had to do with Bush.

ziggy wrote:No, he's not "just a community organizer". Like little Georgie Bush, for better or for worse, he the POTUS. Get use to it- like the rest of us had to do with Bush.

Maybe he's your president, but he isn't mine. I cannot with a clear conscience support Obama and his policies. I pray he is only a one term president and that he is defeated during the next election.

ziggy wrote:"I’ve abandoned free market principles to save the free market system."

--George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 16, 2008

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/16/bush-free-market/

With your intentional tunnel vision and limited ability to consider more than the context of one (1) sentence at a time, .... I doubt that you will ever figure it out that Bush was referring to the Democrat's "free market principles" .... such as those they established for Fannie Mae, Freddie Mack and the Mortgage Bankers.

Too bad Bush couldn't accomplish what he wanted to and it was all because the powerful Democrats that were heavily involved in those entities wouldn't let him.

And too bad Zigster you can't use one of your other famous "one-liners" which is ........ "Mission Accomplished".



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ziggy wrote:No, he's not "just a community organizer". Like little Georgie Bush, for better or for worse, he the POTUS. Get use to it- like the rest of us had to do with Bush.

And just what was his Military experience or job experiences before he won "by default" an Illinois Senate position?

Obama's and Rockefellow's "track records" are damn near identical, ...... RIGHT?




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Cato wrote:

ziggy wrote:No, he's not "just a community organizer". Like little Georgie Bush, for better or for worse, he the POTUS. Get use to it- like the rest of us had to do with Bush.

Maybe he's your president, but he isn't mine. I cannot with a clear conscience support Obama and his policies. I pray he is only a one term president and that he is defeated during the next election.

Cato,

I can't disagree with you strongly enough on your first sentence. I am every bit as opposed to Barack Obama's policies today as I was before the election, however he is our President.

I will work to prevent policies I disapprove of from being implemented, but, for the time being, he is our President. I highly doubt he'll be reelected if he continues on this path. I just hope the damage he inflicts upon this country isn't permanent.

Maybe he's your president, but he isn't mine.

Some of us wanted to think that way about Bush. But that pesky U.S. Constitution told us otherwise.

Stephanie wrote:

I can't disagree with you strongly enough on your first sentence. I am every bit as opposed to Barack Obama's policies today as I was before the election, however he is our President.

I will work to prevent policies I disapprove of from being implemented, but, for the time being, he is our President. I highly doubt he'll be reelected if he continues on this path. I just hope the damage he inflicts upon this country isn't permanent.

Nobody asked you to agree, afterall you are entitled your opinion. Obama supports alot policies that are in direct conflict with the values we should as a people hold dear. Values like individual liberty, presonal responsibility, rugged individualism, and personal achievement. I believe Mr. Obama like so many politicians would sell this nation and its people down the road for the sake of votes and power. The policies that man has put forth in his first days in office should go againt the grain of every person who loves liberty and believes in personal responsibility. However, Obama is not the first, I would say this about, both Bushes were no better, nor was Clinton. These men were not my president either. Maybe to some they were worth worshiping, but not to me. If you want to call this man your president, fine, but he is not my president, nor will he ever be "My President".

ziggy wrote:

Maybe he's your president, but he isn't mine.

Some of us wanted to think that way about Bush. But that pesky U.S. Constitution told us otherwise.

That pesky constitution says the man is president and I won't argue that point, but I will not bow to the man, nor will I give him the respect the masses seem to think he is entitled, because he certainly hasn't earned it. Yes, by the way Ziggy, I feel the same way about both Bushes, and Clinton. They have earned nothing from me, but my loathing and disrespect.

Well I dont think there has been any challenge to his claim on the Presidency.

He is President of the United States.

So until you denounce your citizenship, He is your President.

sodbuster wrote:Well I dont think there has been any challenge to his claim on the Presidency.

He is President of the United States.

So until you denounce your citizenship, He is your President.

Boy, you people are thick!!! I know that he was elected president. I know that he holds the office of president of the United States. However, that does not make him MY president. Receiving the proper number of votes does not earn my respect or my loyality. As I said, the man is like so many politicans, he'd sell this nation for the sake of votes and power. The man has no comprehension of the meaning of words like liberty, self reliance, individual achievement, or hard work. He does not deserve the office of the Presidency. He is a babbling boob that mostlikely couldn't put a complete sentence together without a teleprompter. If that is the person you want for president and the type of person you respect more power to you. I don't however, and the man will never earn enough of my respect for me to ever consider him president.

Cato,

You can claim he's not "your" President if you wish. That does nothing to alter the fact that for the time being he is the POTUS. Because he is the POTUS, and because despite all of her many faults I still love my country, I accept the fact he is my President too. I never said I liked it.

Stephanie wrote:Cato,

You can claim he's not "your" President if you wish. That does nothing to alter the fact that for the time being he is the POTUS. Because he is the POTUS, and because despite all of her many faults I still love my country, I accept the fact he is my President too. I never said I liked it.

Whatever Stephanie. Get a kick out of people, I really do. Trust me on this Stephanie, to Obama and his ilk all you are is a vote. If you aren't going to cast you vote for him or he can't buy your vote, then you are nothing to him or you are soemthing to be brushed aside. That's the way it was with Bush, Clinton, Bush 1, and on back. If you want to recognize the man as president fine go ahead.

I'm not talking about the office, I'm talking about things greater than one just holding office or being elected to office. I'm talking about attitubutes like respect, loyality, seeking the best of the nation, and a willingness to make diffcult decisions that will make one unpopular. To borrow a phrase, Obama has been weighed in the measure and found lacking. If you want to respect the man just because he holds the highest office in the land, do it. As for me however, I will not sacrifice prinicple to honor that man when he does't not deserve it nor has he earned it.

As far as the United States as a nation goes, we ceased to exist some years ago. Yea, we are still the United States, but we are not even a great nation anymore. Yes, we have a hugh military, but that doesn't makes us great, it never was what made us great. Our greatness came from our people who worked, earned, and achieved. It came froma people who respected others, help others, and didnt' expect a handout. At one time we respected things like liberty and life, but not anymore. Life is meaningless and many are more than willing to sacrifice their liberty for some preceived safety. That is not the United States I come to love.

For me Cato it isn't so much about respecting Barack Obama, the person. For me it is about respecting the office he holds. I love my country and while I vehemently disagree with much he wishes to accomplish, and sincerely hope he fails to accomplish socializing everything from our banking system to our medical system, and I will vigorously fight any efforts he makes to further erode our civil liberties and fundamental rights such as the right for parents to raise and educate their children as they see fit, I do not wish to see that office disrespected further by anyone.

I have hope he won't disgrace us. So far, imho, he has not. I have cautious optimism he will not. Call me a dreamer, call me whatever you like, but I prefer to remain hopeful on that score.

Stephanie wrote:For me Cato it isn't so much about respecting Barack Obama, the person. For me it is about respecting the office he holds. I love my country and while I vehemently disagree with much he wishes to accomplish, and sincerely hope he fails to accomplish socializing everything from our banking system to our medical system, and I will vigorously fight any efforts he makes to further erode our civil liberties and fundamental rights such as the right for parents to raise and educate their children as they see fit, I do not wish to see that office disrespected further by anyone.

I have hope he won't disgrace us. So far, imho, he has not. I have cautious optimism he will not. Call me a dreamer, call me whatever you like, but I prefer to remain hopeful on that score.

Look at what you are really saying. You love this nation, but you don't love this nation. I submit that the United States as a nation that cherished liberty ceased to exist many years ago. Obama is just the latest in a line of leaders, politicans actually parasites, that have corrupted every good thing this nation once stood for.

Look at the utopia your leaders have given you. When I went to school the worst thing one had to worry about was pimples and maybe getting a blooding nose. Now days one has to worry about whether they ar going to make though a school day alive. You can thank the leftist taking away of discipline and accountibility for that. One use to be able to travel into the city without worry of getting mugged. Not no more, thats to the politicians invitning illegals and their creation of the nanny welfare state. We were at one time fairly well respected outside our borders, but not any more. The reason is that we have walked over the soveriegnity of so many nations in the quest to build and empire.

All of this is foreign to what our founders wanted and what any liberty loving person should desire. No, the United States as it was inteded doesn't exist anymore. We are little more than an offshoot of Europe socialistic government. Its sad, because our golden age was a time when people could dream and work toward achieving those dreams without someone attempting to take everything they made or making them villians becasue they achieved.

Obama stands for everything any liberty loving American should be standing against. As i said he maybe your president, but he certainly will never be mine.