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Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by SamCogar Thu May 21, 2009 5:25 am
Far-reaching population changes imply that Democratic Party strength may grow in America for decades to come, and Republican power will keep fading.
Several scholarly demographers have written treatises on the rising "progressive tide." The same forecast is voiced in books with titles such as The Strange Death of Republican America: Chronicles of a Collapsing Party.
The latest Time has a cover story on this topic, warning that the GOP is shrinking into a narrow clique with little appeal except to less-educated, white, evangelical, blue-collar, gun-loving, rural folks in Dixie and mountain regions like West Virginia.
"The electorate is getting less white, less rural, less Christian - in short, less demographically Republican," the newsmagazine says.
As America becomes more urban, more educated, more racially diverse, more secular, more tolerant of gays and sexuality, etc., the base of Democratic Party support keeps expanding.
http://www.wvgazette.com/Opinion/Editorials/200905200694
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by SheikBen Thu May 21, 2009 7:24 am
It is true that Democrats have traditionally done better among the secular, African American, and urban.
What the authors assume is that this is going to continue. As the California voters rejection of Democrat ideas indicates, the American public, even those members not Bible thumping rednecks, as I'm sure these schmucks picture all Christian Republicans, will likely turn on them.
Reagan was able to bring together a Republican coalition precisely because Jimmy Carter was such a putz, Congress so very complicit in Carter's putzery, and Reagan was a gifted communicator who was not intimidated by the liberal elite.
If the Republicans can find a Reagan with a clear voice, the Democrats are doing everything they can to make themselves look as bad as possible. A little fashionable infighting over detainees at Guantanamo and the GM disaster can and should ready voters not in Mason County, West Virginia, to vote for someone other than a socialist.
But good luck getting the Gazette to consider any hypothesis indicating a view to the right of Joseph Stalin.
What the authors assume is that this is going to continue. As the California voters rejection of Democrat ideas indicates, the American public, even those members not Bible thumping rednecks, as I'm sure these schmucks picture all Christian Republicans, will likely turn on them.
Reagan was able to bring together a Republican coalition precisely because Jimmy Carter was such a putz, Congress so very complicit in Carter's putzery, and Reagan was a gifted communicator who was not intimidated by the liberal elite.
If the Republicans can find a Reagan with a clear voice, the Democrats are doing everything they can to make themselves look as bad as possible. A little fashionable infighting over detainees at Guantanamo and the GM disaster can and should ready voters not in Mason County, West Virginia, to vote for someone other than a socialist.
But good luck getting the Gazette to consider any hypothesis indicating a view to the right of Joseph Stalin.
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by SamCogar Thu May 21, 2009 8:19 am
If the Republicans can find a Reagan with a clear voice, ...... (then the Democrats are in big trouble)
Right you are, Mike.
And the Democrats were scared to death that they had found one ........ soon after McCain announced his choice of a Viice Presidential Candidate.
When Sarah Palin started talking it scared the partisan Democrats so bad their toe nails were hurting. And they immediately launched a "media blitz" to discreditt and defame her. GEEEZUS, she even scared a big percentage of the Republicans.
And they are still scared of that woman.
And they had better be.
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by Stephanie Thu May 21, 2009 9:01 am
Sarah Palin isn't going to "save" the Republican Party. I like her and I agree with her much of the time but she isn't it.
No, imo the problem with the GOP, both nationally and in WV, is in-fighting and back-biting. Until the Republicans can agree to go after the bad policies, the lies, the corruption, the misfeasance and malfeasance of the Democrats instead of launching attacks on one another, they are screwed.
I don't understand how those currently holding leadership positions in the GOP expect the party to grow when they keep telling everybody who disagrees "there's the exit sign" or "go live somewhere else" and insisting they aren't going to broaden their base as Lindsey Graham just did and as so many others have in recent months.
If I continue to be told by my party that my views aren't going to be considered, that the party is going to continue to narrow its focus and hone in on Christian conservatives who believe we are doing God's work and need to exterminate all those dastardly Muslims, and trying to fulfill some crazy Biblical prophecy, and try to shove those freakish homos back in the closet even I may decide to leave. I'm tired of being kicked around and sucker punched and I'm not alone and the GOP will continue to see its ranks reduced.
No, imo the problem with the GOP, both nationally and in WV, is in-fighting and back-biting. Until the Republicans can agree to go after the bad policies, the lies, the corruption, the misfeasance and malfeasance of the Democrats instead of launching attacks on one another, they are screwed.
I don't understand how those currently holding leadership positions in the GOP expect the party to grow when they keep telling everybody who disagrees "there's the exit sign" or "go live somewhere else" and insisting they aren't going to broaden their base as Lindsey Graham just did and as so many others have in recent months.
If I continue to be told by my party that my views aren't going to be considered, that the party is going to continue to narrow its focus and hone in on Christian conservatives who believe we are doing God's work and need to exterminate all those dastardly Muslims, and trying to fulfill some crazy Biblical prophecy, and try to shove those freakish homos back in the closet even I may decide to leave. I'm tired of being kicked around and sucker punched and I'm not alone and the GOP will continue to see its ranks reduced.
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by Aaron Thu May 21, 2009 10:13 am
In 1852, Democrat Franklin Pierce thumped Whig candidate Winfield Scott.
In 1856, James Buchanan defeated Republican John C Fremont and Know Nothing candidate (former Whig President) Millard Fillmore.
In 1860, Republican candidate Abraham Lincoln defeated Democratic candidate John C. Breckenridge.
Times can and do change. It took 80 years for the populace to get fed up with the two previous parties and right a wrong.
It's been about 80 years since the travesties of FDR started us on this slippery slope of entitlement and debt America is now in.
Will the election of 2012 resemble the 1856 election where a viable third party emerges?
In 1856, James Buchanan defeated Republican John C Fremont and Know Nothing candidate (former Whig President) Millard Fillmore.
In 1860, Republican candidate Abraham Lincoln defeated Democratic candidate John C. Breckenridge.
Times can and do change. It took 80 years for the populace to get fed up with the two previous parties and right a wrong.
It's been about 80 years since the travesties of FDR started us on this slippery slope of entitlement and debt America is now in.
Will the election of 2012 resemble the 1856 election where a viable third party emerges?
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by SamCogar Fri May 22, 2009 7:11 am
Stephanie wrote:Sarah Palin isn't going to "save" the Republican Party. I like her and I agree with her much of the time but she isn't it.
But then again, you also said Ron Paul was it.
Don't forget Steph, Palin took a much worse beating n' thumping from the partisan Democrat media than Paul did.
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Might be the start of something new ........ now that Californians have woke up.
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by TerryRC Fri May 22, 2009 7:54 am
And they had better be.
Since I have pretty much given up on the modern republican party, I would be ecstatic about a Palin nomination in 2012.
There was no need of a media smear campaign. Every time she opened her mouth, she put her foot in it.
What are fungible molecules?
The woman is not president material. Hell, she isn't even governor material.
I think pandering to the evangelicals has ruined the republicans. I think the republicans know that. I think the evangelicals feel betrayed by the republicans because abortion isn't illegal and there is not formal prayer in schools.
I wonder if a whig party, for moderate to leftish republicans, or something similar may be in the offing ?
Since I have pretty much given up on the modern republican party, I would be ecstatic about a Palin nomination in 2012.
There was no need of a media smear campaign. Every time she opened her mouth, she put her foot in it.
What are fungible molecules?
The woman is not president material. Hell, she isn't even governor material.
I think pandering to the evangelicals has ruined the republicans. I think the republicans know that. I think the evangelicals feel betrayed by the republicans because abortion isn't illegal and there is not formal prayer in schools.
I wonder if a whig party, for moderate to leftish republicans, or something similar may be in the offing ?
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by Stephanie Fri May 22, 2009 8:11 am
Ron Paul was right. Sarah Palin was not. Palin is selling too much of the same crap Graham & McCain & Co. are. She's just doing it in a lovier package with a bit more charm and style.
One of the talking heads on Meet the Press brought up Ron Paul last week. She brought up how the young people were flocking to Ron Paul before Obama caught fire etc. She said something interesting. She said she thinks Ron Paul had the right message, he's just the wrong messanger. I think there may be some truth to her statement. I also think after a couple more years of this shit we'll find more people open to that message.
One of the talking heads on Meet the Press brought up Ron Paul last week. She brought up how the young people were flocking to Ron Paul before Obama caught fire etc. She said something interesting. She said she thinks Ron Paul had the right message, he's just the wrong messanger. I think there may be some truth to her statement. I also think after a couple more years of this shit we'll find more people open to that message.
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by SamCogar Fri May 22, 2009 8:54 am
Stephanie, your above post and TRC's above that ...... proves without a doubt ....... that there ain't no way in hell a QUALIFIED candidate for POTUS will ever get elected in the United States of America.
And the reason there won't be is because there are too many voting people like yourselves that only "look" for their choice of negative personal attributes of a Candidate to base their decision on.
It doesn't matter how f'ing potentially great, competent or experienced a Candidate might be, ...... one (1) previously chosen negative personal attribute will take priority in determining which candidate “gets your vote” ….. even though said personal attribute doesn’t have a frigging thing to do with the job they are expected to do if elected.
And that is why most all Candidates loudly and profoundly advertise their Party affiliation ….. because they know that is the #1 and/or primary “NEGATIVE” that most voters start their selection with.
And the reason there won't be is because there are too many voting people like yourselves that only "look" for their choice of negative personal attributes of a Candidate to base their decision on.
It doesn't matter how f'ing potentially great, competent or experienced a Candidate might be, ...... one (1) previously chosen negative personal attribute will take priority in determining which candidate “gets your vote” ….. even though said personal attribute doesn’t have a frigging thing to do with the job they are expected to do if elected.
And that is why most all Candidates loudly and profoundly advertise their Party affiliation ….. because they know that is the #1 and/or primary “NEGATIVE” that most voters start their selection with.
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by Stephanie Fri May 22, 2009 9:14 am
What negative personal attributes do you think I'm looking for?
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by Cato Fri May 22, 2009 9:33 am
I was reading Sam's post which brought a question to mind, What really makes a candidate qualified to be president or for that matter hold any office?
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by SamCogar Fri May 22, 2009 12:37 pm
Stephanie wrote:What negative personal attributes do you think I'm looking for?
Only you know the answer(s) to that.
Do you weight all the good attributes of all Candidates ..... before you weigh their bad attributes?
Did you ever reject a Candidate for something that was immaterial to his/her performing of an elected job?
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by SamCogar Fri May 22, 2009 12:46 pm
Cato wrote:I was reading Sam's post which brought a question to mind, What really makes a candidate qualified to be president or for that matter hold any office?
Cato
Their knowledge, qualifications and experiences required to perform the job of the Office they are seeking to be elected to. Nothing else is important or relative.
GEEEZUS, Willy, you wouldn't choose a heart or brain surgeon based solely on his/her belief concerning abortions, religion or sexual preference?
YEAH, ...... you probably would ..... and then be wishing yourself
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by Cato Fri May 22, 2009 1:36 pm
SamCogar wrote:Cato wrote:I was reading Sam's post which brought a question to mind, What really makes a candidate qualified to be president or for that matter hold any office?
Cato
Their knowledge, qualifications and experiences required to perform the job of the Office they are seeking to be elected to. Nothing else is important or relative.
Seems to me we've been electing people that meet the attributes you point out and we are in a pretty good fix for doing so.
SamCogar wrote:GEEEZUS, Willy, you wouldn't choose a heart or brain surgeon based solely on his/her belief concerning abortions, religion or sexual preference?
YEAH, ...... you probably would ..... and then be wishing yourself
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Actually, there are homosexuals I would vote for. Tammy Bruce to name one. I'd vote for her over most of the republicans presently running for or occupying office today. She is both an admitted lesbian and she is pro abortion. She also has a good understanding constitutional issues. She also has respect for differing opinions, something I don't see much of fromt he politicians or the bimbos that support them.
Further, seems to me we ought to looking for individuals who have demostrated an understanding of the US Constitution and are Originalists in their interrputation of the US Constitution. Seems further to me that continully elected professional politicans has produced a hugh failure.
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by Stephanie Sat May 23, 2009 12:17 am
SamCogar wrote:Stephanie wrote:What negative personal attributes do you think I'm looking for?
Only you know the answer(s) to that.
Do you weight all the good attributes of all Candidates ..... before you weigh their bad attributes?
Did you ever reject a Candidate for something that was immaterial to his/her performing of an elected job?
I look at what they have done, and then what they say they are going to do.
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by SamCogar Sat May 23, 2009 4:04 am
Stephanie wrote:SamCogar wrote: Did you ever reject a Candidate for something that was immaterial to his/her performing of an elected job?
I look at what they have done, and then what they say they are going to do.
Steph, if you remember my chastizing post was prompted by this comment:
Stephanie wrote:Ron Paul was right. Sarah Palin was not. Palin is selling too much of the same crap ............ She's just doing it in a lovier package with a bit more charm and style.
Just curious, what did you see in/about Palin that caused you to form the above opinion?
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by TerryRC Sat May 23, 2009 6:53 am
Stephanie, your above post and TRC's above that ...... proves without a doubt ....... that there ain't no way in hell a QUALIFIED candidate for POTUS will ever get elected in the United States of America.
What, because the only "qualified candidates" are the ones that Sammy approves of?
Palin knew nothing about foreign policy or current events. She couldn't name a single newspaper that she reads on a regular basis. She called Africa a country. She was a soccer mom that got famous for betraying the people that helped put her in office.
Only the last bit, the betraying of people, seems to be a a qualifier for being president these days.
What, because the only "qualified candidates" are the ones that Sammy approves of?
Palin knew nothing about foreign policy or current events. She couldn't name a single newspaper that she reads on a regular basis. She called Africa a country. She was a soccer mom that got famous for betraying the people that helped put her in office.
Only the last bit, the betraying of people, seems to be a a qualifier for being president these days.
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by Aaron Sat May 23, 2009 9:00 am
And what qualifications did Barrack Obama bring to the table RC? Does know Africa is a continent and South Africa is a country make him more qualified to be POTUS? Or is it his Columbia and Harvard Education?
It's certainly not his body of work as he has none.
Frankly, other then the ability to deliver a good speech, I don't see any qualifications so if you could point them out, I'd be interested in seeing what they are.
It's certainly not his body of work as he has none.
Frankly, other then the ability to deliver a good speech, I don't see any qualifications so if you could point them out, I'd be interested in seeing what they are.
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by SamCogar Sat May 23, 2009 10:15 am
Well now isn't that wonderful.
ShermanGeneral must be qualified to be POTUS because he reads the Gazette every day.
ShermanGeneral must be qualified to be POTUS because he reads the Gazette every day.
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by Stephanie Sat May 23, 2009 4:47 pm
Palin was far too interested in invading and occupying and killing brown people for my taste. That would be top of the list, Sam.
Foreign policy has become extremely important to me over the course of the past 8 years. I pay a whole lot more attention to it today than I did a decade ago and Sarah Palin's foreign policy is basically the same foreign policy of GWB and BHO and Lindsey Graham.
We have plenty of problems in this country that need addressed. What revenue our government does have to work with should be spent on infrastructure and securing our ports and borders and taking care of those that can't take care of themselves right here in the USA, not spending tens of billions of dollars on bombs and bullets to tell other people how to live or billions and billions of dollars arming and equiping some other nation's military.
Foreign policy has become extremely important to me over the course of the past 8 years. I pay a whole lot more attention to it today than I did a decade ago and Sarah Palin's foreign policy is basically the same foreign policy of GWB and BHO and Lindsey Graham.
We have plenty of problems in this country that need addressed. What revenue our government does have to work with should be spent on infrastructure and securing our ports and borders and taking care of those that can't take care of themselves right here in the USA, not spending tens of billions of dollars on bombs and bullets to tell other people how to live or billions and billions of dollars arming and equiping some other nation's military.
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by TerryRC Sun May 24, 2009 8:58 am
And what qualifications did Barrack Obama bring to the table RC? Does know Africa is a continent and South Africa is a country make him more qualified to be POTUS? Or is it his Columbia and Harvard Education?
You are begging the question. We were talking about what made Palin qualified - other than the fact she is a woman and believes in witches.
You are begging the question. We were talking about what made Palin qualified - other than the fact she is a woman and believes in witches.
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by SamCogar Sun May 24, 2009 10:11 am
It is really a challenge for Palin .......
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to soar like an eagle,
when she has to oversee a bunch of turkeys.
when she has to oversee a bunch of turkeys.
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by TerryRC Sun May 24, 2009 10:23 am
It is really a challenge for Palin .......
I give. If Sam says that Palin is qualified to run the country, that is enough for me...
I give. If Sam says that Palin is qualified to run the country, that is enough for me...
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by Stephanie Sun May 24, 2009 10:40 am
I'd say Sarah Palin is far more qualified to run the country than the man currently occupying the Oval Office.
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Re: Strange Death of West Virginia Republicans
by TerryRC Sun May 24, 2009 10:48 am
I'd say Sarah Palin is far more qualified to run the country than the man currently occupying the Oval Office.
I'd say you were wrong.
Obama may be as crooked as our last president but he is no idiot. He was mayor of a city that has more people than the whole state of Alaska. He got to spend some time in DC as a senator. Palin got to spend some time in Juneau.
Palin is a zionist because she believes that it will hasten the "end times". I don't want her anywhere near the CinC position.
Also, the woman is a dunce. She couldn't even debate Joe Biden.
I'd say you were wrong.
Obama may be as crooked as our last president but he is no idiot. He was mayor of a city that has more people than the whole state of Alaska. He got to spend some time in DC as a senator. Palin got to spend some time in Juneau.
Palin is a zionist because she believes that it will hasten the "end times". I don't want her anywhere near the CinC position.
Also, the woman is a dunce. She couldn't even debate Joe Biden.
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