Gun control doing wonders in Chicago

I'm sure you all have seen, or at least know about, the fatal beating of an honor students on the south side by thugs with railroad ties.

"Father" Pfleger, who usually is into suing gun manufacturers, conjured up some tears, and yet has no word on any impending lawsuit against the railroads.

Our public education system is failing because it is amoral and ineffective, dominated by teachers' unions and liberal academics who are too personally confused to be of any good to anyone else. I think it was Cato who called for a return to corporal punishment. I truly believe that if these hoodlums could have been spanked inside the school they would not have turned out to be fatally beating their classmate.

SheikBen wrote:and yet has no word on any impending lawsuit against the railroads.

Mike, pay no attention to what the media was claiming that villin was "swinging", ...... it was not a RR cross-tie. I don't know of a living human being capable of such a feat.

It looked to me to be an 8' 2x4, ..... now who it belonged to I wouldn't know.

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Hi Sam,

I'm sure there were broken pieces off of railroad ties. An important correction, no doubt.

Fight violence against students with violence against students?

Stephanie wrote:Fight violence against students with violence against students?

Until people are held accountible for their actions and excuses aren't accepted this is what you are going to have. Yes, that means starting at an early age with grave consequences for misbehavior. That fact of the matter is, thanks to making excuses for behaviors, 5 lives are now in ruin. 4 for murder and one dead.

I do not know anyone who could lift a railroad tie. Two men could lift one (I guess) and raise it to the height of their waists. Whatever they used was cut to that size. It was not railroad ties nor was it a part of railroad ties. I doubt any of the losers who write for newspapers these days would know a railroad tie from shinola.

We'll find out next year if Chicago's gun control laws will be overturned as part of the 2nd Amendment as was the case in Heller or if that only applies to the federal government and states and cities can still ban arms. It should be interesting.

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OC,

I know all to well how heavy a railroad tie is. They encompass my garden, and while my neighbor and I were moving them, I tripped backwards and my end fell on my leg, with my friend holding the other end such that I was not as seriously hurt (physically, it was a pride thing as well) as I would have been end.

I had assumed they must have been talking about pieces of ties, but maybe I should not even give the media that kind of benefit of the doubt.



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Stephanie wrote:Fight violence against students with violence against students?

Steph,

That's a false equivalence. I'm not talking about wishing harm on a student, quite the opposite. Many youth simply do not understand something until it becomes an unavoidable question. I work with them all the time who never obey anything until it ends up being a criminal matter. Had these kids been spanked at home (lovingly, not abusively, and not out of anger, but out of correction), I wholeheartedly believe many of these kids would have been far better off.

Teens learn all too quickly that they can simply outweight "authority" figures. And when the rewards for "being good" are so far off, and the consequences of foolishness not apparently existent, disaster follows. I am not saying this is the way it always works, obviously there are effective teens who have never been spanked. But it is the way it quite often works.

I don't agree with the notion of spanking children in school, ever.

I do think spanking is effective, but only as an attention getter. In other words, a good swat on the butt as in "Hey! You need to listen to me!" not public humiliation or the infliction of pain through a certain number of whacks with a paddle or what have you. I also don't believe spanking is ever effective with a teenager. By then they are far too old.

I do not agree with it in public, or in anger, but rather as a tangible and immediate signal that the simplest child can understand.

As for the teens, I would like to have the teachers have the ability to paddle, even if it is never used. My principal had a paddle that we only had to hear about, and that did the trick. I don't know that he ever used it the three years I was at his school, but he didn't have to.

OK, we disagree. Should we start calling each other names now? LOL

Let's see, no, "godless pinko" is the best I can do, so I might as well keep it civil:)

Not that I am ever going to convince you of my views (but I do love beating the dead horse, Steph), I think that spanking has a bad rep because it is done in anger and ignorance. I do not think that spanking particularly works as vindictive punishment, but as loving correction I think it does.

And we NEVER, EVER say the whole "this hurts me more than it does you" shinola. And neither do we ever respond to questions of "why" with "because we said so."

You propose allowing the same morons who suspend 5 year olds for bringing plastic butter knives to school to paddle children?

I want you to think about what you're saying. Seriously, I have a friend who's son was suspended from school at the age of 7 because he he used his finger and thumb to pretend to shoot a classmate who had just pretended to stab him. You can't make this stuff up.

You want to give these kinds of idiots that kind of authority over children? Do you really think these people love the children in their care? I think they love their paychecks and lucrative benefits packages.

Stephanie wrote:You propose allowing the same morons who suspend 5 year olds for bringing plastic butter knives to school to paddle children?

I want you to think about what you're saying. Seriously, I have a friend who's son was suspended from school at the age of 7 because he he used his finger and thumb to pretend to shoot a classmate who had just pretended to stab him. You can't make this stuff up.

You want to give these kinds of idiots that kind of authority over children? Do you really think these people love the children in their care? I think they love their paychecks and lucrative benefits packages.

That's because you have administrators and boards of education that are brain dead and that doesn't even take into account the ding dongs on the State level that comes up with these rules, like zero tolerance, to begin with or the legislature that puts these people in office.

As far as corporal punishment goes, as of right now, there is absolutely nothing a teacher can do to control a classroom. The only choice they have is to send a misbehaving kid to the office, which for most is a reward. They can call the parent, which for most means talking to aparent that sees the school system as a babysitter and nothing more or talking a parent that isn't going to correct their child.

If you want a descent public edcuation system, one of the first things that has to happen is kids have to understand they are going to face consequences for their actions. Parents have to understand that their child's misbehavior isn't going to be tolerated.

Another thing that needs to stop is this self esteem thing that seems to have invaded every corner of public education. If a kid can't add then they can't add and they shouldn't be passed on until they can add or read or workt o grade level.

A large percentage of kids have no discipline, no respect for others, and no self respect. The fact of the matter is this cancer is a result of the nanny government system the left and RINO's have created. Kids today look at the example they see in this country and they understand that all they have to do is hop on for the ride, nanny government will take care of them. They don't see consequences for poor behavior. What they see is excuse making and the easy way out. Until this changes your education system is going to suck.

I know that teachers can be idiots. This is one of many reasons that we homeschool in the Sheik house. My oldest is at home rather than in preschool/kindergarten, and it will be many years before we let those pit vipers in the schools sick their fangs into him.

But as Cato says, they need to be able to control their classrooms somehow, and it would be nice if there could be greater intervention before it becomes criminal.

They need to get the "learning disabled" out of the classrooms and the violent ones out of the schools.

They are a terrible distraction and hinderance to the education of the other children.

Now you see "the office" is one of the problems. Teachers don't want to be bothered with correcting problems in their classrooms so they send students to "the office".

What's that old saying? You get more flies with honey? I really believe the most effective way to create a good learning environment is through rewards. If all a student hears is what he or she is doing wrong, how do they know to do right? If Johnny is a latchkey kid, or ignored at home, or if Susie is neglected and/or abused at home, negative attention may be better than no attention.

When students misbehave they should suffer consequences, so take away what's important to them. Take away recess, make them eat lunch with Mrs. Jones. Detention with an assignment for older students can be effective. Sending a kid to detention to sleep or do homework isn't what I'd call effective.

I'm pleased to hear the little Sheiks are in a safe, nurturing environment, Michael.

I know all to well how heavy a railroad tie is.

Mike,

Forgive me if I came across as a know-it-all. I was struck not by your lack of knowledge regarding railroad ties but how much alike Sam and I were thinking. I'm not sure what those Chicago criminals were wielding but can not believe those were railroad ties. Soaking them with creosote, as you well know, renders them hernia-inducing instruments but not murder weapons.

If railroad ties are outlawed, only outlaws will have railroad ties.

OC,

No worries, in point of fact, you know much more of railroad ties than the buffoons on tv.

Do you think these fools suppose that "railroad ties" just sounds cooler than "2X8"s or whatever they were?

Of course, we agree I'm sure that this highlights the foolishness of gun control. The problem is with people and groups of people, we could give them forks down in Roseland section of Chicago and they would kill each other with them. I lay these beatings at the feet of the people who constantly want to blame someone other than the perp (ie, the police, the white man, what have you).

SheikBen wrote: I lay these beatings at the feet of the people who constantly want to blame someone other than the perp (ie, the police, the white man, what have you).

Right you are Mike.

And it is those same people who are averting their eyes to the ACTUAL cause of the problem.

And that actual problem is the people who are afraid to stand up against those people who preach against, demand no actions against and file law suites against anyone that scolds, gives a failing Grade to, reprimands, punishes, etc. any child between the ages of 3 to 18 years old.

And Mike, iffen you think it is bad now, ……. just wait until the current crop of Elementary and Middle School students are PUSHED up into High School and out onto the streets.

The problems just keep exacerbating as each year goes by.

Me thinks all the organized Religions should cease, desist and quit concerning themselves about the Religious morals of the populace …….. until they can reinstitute the forceful teaching of Civil morals within the younger populace, …… because if they don’t, …… then they don’t have a snowball’s chance in Hell of ever teaching the younger generation any Religious morals.




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Stephanie wrote:Now you see "the office" is one of the problems. Teachers don't want to be bothered with correcting problems in their classrooms so they send students to "the office".

What's that old saying? You get more flies with honey? I really believe the most effective way to create a good learning environment is through rewards. If all a student hears is what he or she is doing wrong, how do they know to do right? If Johnny is a latchkey kid, or ignored at home, or if Susie is neglected and/or abused at home, negative attention may be better than no attention.

First, classroom discipline in this day and age is alot like changing a tire. It's kinda hard to do when you are n't allowed the tools necessary. The "office" serves as a method of last resort.

Secondly, rewards work but only to a point and only if you are dealing with kids that have some self respect. A good majority don't respect themselves or anyone else, nor do they care whether or not they pass. Additionally, many come from families that don't much care either.

Stephanie wrote:When students misbehave they should suffer consequences, so take away what's important to them. Take away recess, make them eat lunch with Mrs. Jones. Detention with an assignment for older students can be effective. Sending a kid to detention to sleep or do homework isn't what I'd call effective.

This is already done so, when none of this works, then what?

you know much more of railroad ties than the buffoons on tv

I thought of you today. I passed a new Tudor's Biscuit World in Weirton today. They were advertising an open house tonight from 5:00 PM to 7:00 PM. I look forward to stopping there soon to see what all the hoopla is about. My daughter told me I was going to like it (..."biscuits as big as a dinner plate...").

Yeah I miss Tudor's something fierce. Avoid its Italian "brother," Geno's, however. But Tudors is a thing of beauty. I'm glad they've made it up to the panhandle.

Yet another reason I have to make it back that way. Wheeling in general and Oglebay in particular are downright stunning this time of year. As for Weirton, do they still run the Elby's Classic? I lost a bet once so I was supposed to run that. "Fat" chance anymore:)

In West Virginia, I remember all of the social indicators that Chicago has, an uneducated population, a high divorce rate, high poverty, and yet I remember very few violent areas (easy to avoid). The only two things I noticed were a more "Bible friendly" culture and a lot more gun-owners. Otherwise, I should like to hear from liberals why West Virginia has all of the "reasons for crime" Chicago has without the violent crime that Chicago has.