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Post by ohio county on Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:24 pm

I suspect this will not be very popular but what has BP done? They were pushed into deep water because the environmentalists were afraid of a leak close to shore where it might have been manageable. They have hired in excess of twenty thousand workers and ancillary workers in the Gulf region along I-10 and have a payroll in excess of two billion dollars. Now they've had twenty billion appropriated by the federal government - twenty billion denied to their stockholders and investors, little old ladies who might dye their hair blue, wear tennis shoes, and clip their coupons. Is BP evil for employing three states in the Gulf of Mexico? Do they merit a boycott?

BP earned their stars by exploring in the North Sea, an area tossed by high waves and high winds and cold temperatures. Nobody has more experience than BP to solve this problem and in circumstances that are impossible to us but not so difficult for them. In another six weeks the relief wells will be in. The clean up efforts can begin in earnest. This accident is a tragedy but shutting down the jobs and lifeblood of the bayou communities is a worse tragedy.

Why give Hugo Chavez and CITGO a pass and punish BP? BP might not be British Petroleum any longer but our faithful allies in foreign military engagements consider it a case of our thumb in their eye. The six month moratorium on deep water drilling is a death sentence to domestic oil production. Who are the amateurs making policy for the United States?

Just my thoughts...

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Post by Stephanie on Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:58 am

Did you write this, Jim? If so, we have just found the single greatest political disagreement between us.

If you actually believe that in another six weeks the relief wells will be in and the clean up that follows will correct the damage done to the beaches and the bayous, the fish and the fishermen, the birds and the tourism industry you are sadly mistaken. People lost their lives in that explosion, but thousands upon thousands have lost their way of life.

The damage to the oyster beds and the shrimp population is beyond catastrophic at this point. Dolphins, birds, turtles.......countless dead. They matter. Entire ecosystems are in the process of being utterly obliviated. That is why I was screaming for federal intervention early on. The damage done in 4 months will take 4 decades to repair. Some of it will never be repaired.

There is no doubt in my mind Obama should have done more sooner and he should not be taking many of the actions he is taking now. I am of the belief this is like a wet dream for Obama. He is using it to further his agenda instead of doing what needs to be done regarding containment, clean up, and prosecution. He is blaming "BP" instead of going after the individuals who committed criminal acts. He is an opportunistic ass. He likely is the worst President in our nation's history. He is a boil on the butt of America.

However, your post leaves me with the impression that you think the region will recover from this in a year or two. I am certain that absolutely is not true. Domestic oil production isn't the only industry that has been handed a death sentence.

Twenty billion dollars denied stockholders and investors is chump change considering the economic and environmental devastation unfolding from Louisiana to Florida. A powerful hurricane or two and oil will likely be carried west to Texas. It will be years before we know the total extent of the damage and I don't think the world will ever fully comprehend the human suffering it causes.

I want some accountability. I realize the word accountability has become some sort of obscenity in this country, but I'm demanding it any way. I want a thorough investigation, and I want the people who made such reckless choices prosecuted. I hope they rot in prison. Greed and arrogance and total disregard for our nation, her people and her natural resources did this. Some of those involved are American and that sickens me most of all.

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Post by SamCogar on Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:25 am

Stephanie, ……. SHIT HAPPENS, ….. GET USE TO IT, …….

I do not believe and I do not think that you believe that the CEO of BP Oil intentionally “blew up” that oil platform anymore than I believe the CEO of Massey Energy intentionally “blew up” that coal mine ..... like everyone is implying.

Those two (2) CEO’s were not 1 1/100th as culpable for the deaths, destruction, expense and future hardships of the populace resulting from those two accidents as were FEMA, the Governor of Louisiana, the Mayor of New Orleans, the Corps of Engineers and all the other Government Department heads were and are responsible for the deaths, destruction, expense and future hardships of the populace of New Orleans et el, …………. YET NOBODY REALLY GIVES A SHIT about their culpability, nor has anyone been “beating their jaws” demanding prosecutions, etc., etc.

And the same goes for the 911 WTC disaster, …………. which could have been prevented.

GEEEZUS, everyone has been badmouthing the BP Board Chairman for watching his boat compete in a race on Father’s Day Weekend ….. but no one has been badmouthing Obama for playing golf, entertaining celebrities, etc., etc., for the past 60 days.

Stephanie, 90% of all culpability for the destruction, expense, loss of jobs and future socio-economic hardships of the Gulf Coast populace lies right at the feet of the Federal Government, but if it make you feel all giddy and warm inside to blame it all on BP Oil, then whatever “turns your crank”.

And Stephanie, you might want to check with a few NG producers and ask them: “Do gas or oil wells have a tendency to “BLOW OUT” months n’ months after they have been put into production”?

If you ever hear of one doing that please let me know.

I really don't like to hear someone disengenuously "badmouthing" another person or entity just for a "feel good" feeling. Evil or Very Mad

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Post by ohio county on Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:40 am

I don't have any problem with accountability or the rule of law. I have a problem with the ass-kicker-in-chief assessing a fine so that he can elect a slate of democrats to continue carving up the Treasury outside the law. We have the means and the system to assign accountability. Why spurn it? Is that hope or change?

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Post by Stephanie on Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:45 am

No Sam, I do not thing anyone intentionally blew up that oil well. I do think they didn't particularly care if it did..........all just part of the cost of doing business.

For crying out freaking loud, few people have targetted federal officials for blame with the vigor I have. Don't even get me going on the so-called inspectors but at the end of the day, BP officials made these disasterous decisions. They made a calculated bet and now we all lose.

Screw them. I wish they'd rot in a Peruvian prison....ours are too good for the likes of them.

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Post by Stephanie on Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:46 am

ohio county wrote:I don't have any problem with accountability or the rule of law. I have a problem with the ass-kicker-in-chief assessing a fine so that he can elect a slate of democrats to continue carving up the Treasury outside the law. We have the means and the system to assign accountability. Why spurn it? Is that hope or change?

Do you really think that little farce is going to do him any good? He is toast.......he is a lame duck and I think it may just be dawning on him.

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Post by SheikBen on Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:52 am

Hi Steph,

I don't think that man knows what humility is. As far as he is concerned, the only way he loses reelection is if the Republicans steal it from him.

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Post by Stephanie on Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:05 am

You may be correct. The only person I can think of more arrogant than this President is his wife.

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Post by ohio county on Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:16 pm

Do you really think that little farce is going to do him any good? He is toast.......he is a lame duck and I think it may just be dawning on him.

No less a light than Bill O'Reilly feted him for that. Of course, Rush Limbaugh is reported to have called Bill O'Reilly "Ted Baxter". So far as I am aware, Mr. Limbaugh has neither confirmed nor denied that.

With regard to some of your other comments, yes, the oyster beds are ruined for at least seven years. But the shrimp (and more importantly to the coon asses) and crawfish industries are more farming operations now.

Don't get me wrong: this is a tragedy - the worst ecological disaster in the history of the republic. But in order to clean it up it is necessary to plug the damn hole. I'm just saying that will happen within the next sixty days.

But you also have to keep it in perspective: the amount of oil leaked out into the Gulf at this moment is less than one millionth of an ounce in a bathtub full of water. It is less than one gallon in one billion gallons.

A bigger ecological threat is the continued use of ethanol. Huh? Have I lost my mind? Fertilizer-rich runoff from Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa, and other upriver states has created a ball of densely impregnable algae larger than the state of New Jersey which will increase in size by 34% a year. The sheer stupidity of a six-month (permanent) moratorium on deep sea drilling is exceeded only by the folly of using our food stock as a fuel.

I worked in Calcasieu Parish in 2005 and 2006. In the latter year Citgo spilled a million gallons of gasoline into the Calcasieu River which forms the inland waterway there. It is a spiffy little deepwater port fifty miles inland. Citgo is the former Union 76 then Uno-Ven and now the state oil company of Venezuela (after Chavez nationalized Union 76's assets). They run a huge refinery on the south side of I-10 that employs tens of thousands. Yes, they paid a huge fine but the people in Sulfur, LA knew that shutting them down would idle huge segments of the population.

I have a couple Farmville neighbors who work for a Gulf drilling platform service company. They aren't for a BP boycott. I'm not either.

While the CEO of BP was out sailing his yacht off the Isle of Wight, Obama spent five hours on the golf course. No, I don't think Obama can reverse course. But as my friend, shermangeneral, would remind us, it's a long time until 2012...

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Post by SamCogar on Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:15 am

Stephanie wrote:No Sam, I do not thing anyone intentionally blew up that oil well. I do think they didn't particularly care if it did..........all just part of the cost of doing business.

Yup, those oil companies just throw money down Wet Rat Holes like the government throws down Dry Rat Holes.

Analysts project the cost to replace the oil rig will be in the $600 million to $700 million range. The Deepwater Horizon rig was one of the most advanced of its kind.

Sure nuff, 3/4 of a BILLION$ is just chump change to those corporate crooks.

... but at the end of the day, BP officials made these disasterous decisions. They made a calculated bet and now we all lose.

Hindsight decisions are always easier to make than foresight decisions, right Steph. And the really super duper nice thing about them is that the hindsight decisions .... are the right decisions 99 44/100% of the time.

Too bad everyone isn't as smart as the people that make those hindsight decisions.


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Post by SamCogar on Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:31 am

But as my friend, shermangeneral, would remind us, it's a long time until 2012...


And you ain't seen nothing yet ...... when it comes to the destructive power of Obama and his merry band of Socialist Czars.

They know the effectiveness of their Agitprop in inciting the masses and they will use it to their best advantage between now and 2012.

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Post by TerryRC on Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:23 am

Now they've had twenty billion appropriated by the federal government - twenty billion denied to their stockholders and investors, little old ladies who might dye their hair blue, wear tennis shoes, and clip their coupons. Is BP evil for employing three states in the Gulf of Mexico? Do they merit a boycott?

BP didn't have to give up the money.

The POTUS doesn't have the authority to force a foreign company to set aside money to pay people. That is what class action lawsuits are for.

It boils down to this:

1) He didn't force them, he asked.
2) They agreed to it because it was the smart business decision.

No BP doesn't deserve boycotts. Historically they have been one of the most environmentally conscious oil companies.

Of course, under Reagan, this never would have been a big problem. He would have ran down there with the 51st Armored Well-Capping Division, taken operations over from BP (ignoring everyone that screamed about "big government") and plugged that sucker up.

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