I never wanted to move to Maine....

Until I read this:

http://www.wcsh6.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=144438&catid=2&GID=AbsmrZD35FsY9YxfouoJtfBlQ5jESte30xrL4M5IT5I%3D

SheikBen wrote:Until I read this:

http://www.wcsh6.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=144438&catid=2&GID=AbsmrZD35FsY9YxfouoJtfBlQ5jESte30xrL4M5IT5I%3D

I wholeheartedly agree with La Page. I am sick and tired of the black community pissing and moaning about racism when they are the most racist group of people around in many ways they out racist the KKK.

Take for example the NAACP, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. That isn't racist, but I bet a whole lot of money if there was NAAWP, National Association for the Advancement of White People, it would be labled as racist. If there was a white history month, can you imagine the outcry fron the black community.

I have been fed a diet of how bad the black race has it. I have been taxed to near extinction to give to them. Enough. I'm to the point if they are that disatisfied here, Africa is 3,000 mile east, go there and see how you like it.

Some blacks have the victim mentality but I see it as often (or more so) out of young whites in laSalle County. Granted there is no "National Association for the Advanced of Hillbillies" but foolishness knows no color, whether it be the KKK or the NAACP.

SheikBen wrote:Some blacks have the victim mentality but I see it as often (or more so) out of young whites in laSalle County. Granted there is no "National Association for the Advanced of Hillbillies" but foolishness knows no color, whether it be the KKK or the NAACP.

Most, not some blacks have the victim mentality. If that wasn't the case the majoirty of blacks certainly wouldn't be democrats and wouldn't be supporting democrats.

It is true that the great majority of blacks who vote, vote for the Democrats, and this is surely not in their (or anyone else's) best interest. I do not think, however, this is always due to the victim mentality. Many have been tricked into believing that the Democratic Party is truly the best for them in terms of jobs, social welfare programs, civil rights, etc. All too rarely do folks realize that the situation of African Americans never seems to improve under either party, and yet they consistently support one over the other.

SheikBen wrote:It is true that the great majority of blacks who vote, vote for the Democrats, and this is surely not in their (or anyone else's) best interest. I do not think, however, this is always due to the victim mentality. Many have been tricked into believing that the Democratic Party is truly the best for them in terms of jobs, social welfare programs, civil rights, etc. All too rarely do folks realize that the situation of African Americans never seems to improve under either party, and yet they consistently support one over the other.

If the situation of African Americans never seems to improve under either party, then why is it even important whether they do or don't support one party over the other?

Where is the proof that the situation of African Americans has not improved under Conservative policies?

I was speaking with a gentleman and he spoke of when Welfare reform passed, the school bus garage in which he worked had in influx of recipients and that of the initial 10 that started, 7 of them are now full time employees.

It seems actually earning the money they were given appealed to them more then having it handed to them.

When given the choice of no work, no eat survival of the fittest means most will work.

ziggy wrote:

SheikBen wrote:It is true that the great majority of blacks who vote, vote for the Democrats, and this is surely not in their (or anyone else's) best interest. I do not think, however, this is always due to the victim mentality. Many have been tricked into believing that the Democratic Party is truly the best for them in terms of jobs, social welfare programs, civil rights, etc. All too rarely do folks realize that the situation of African Americans never seems to improve under either party, and yet they consistently support one over the other.

If the situation of African Americans never seems to improve under either party, then why is it even important whether they do or don't support one party over the other?

Ziggy,

Because it means that the Democrats can continue to exploit the black vote and never come through. The unions, similarly, have become patsies of the Democrats who have done nothing to keep jobs in the United States.

Just as private sector unions are declining and the Dems really don't care about them *(since they can rely on their support anyway), I accuse the Democrats of the same level of apathy towards African Americans.

Aaron wrote:I was speaking with a gentleman and he spoke of when Welfare reform passed, the school bus garage in which he worked had in influx of recipients and that of the initial 10 that started, 7 of them are now full time employees.

It seems actually earning the money they were given appealed to them more then having it handed to them.

Uh, careful there now, ..... once they cross over that "magic line" and get a real job ........... it takes an Act of God to cross back over and get their name reinstated on the Welfare Roll.

And besides, unless they get a county/state job ....... they lose bigtime by steady employment.

And GEEEZE, working at a school bus garage is far from being a "labor intensive" job. They probably do less work there than they did when on welfare.

Two thoughts on MLK, of whom we honor today.

First, he was a Republican.

Second, he preached self worth and independence, not dependence. While I certainly can't speak for the man, I myself find it ironic that the Democratic Party did to the black male in about 50 years what 500 years of slaverly couldn't and that is remove hope for many.

Aaron,

I agree with the gist if not the hyperbole:) I think that the civil rights movement lost its way more than 20 years ago.

Have a great week!

Because it means that the Democrats can continue to exploit the black vote and never come through.

I agree. Can we agree that the GOP has done the same thing with the religious right? They have had majorities before and abortion is still legal, gays get more rights everyday and you still can't have school sanctioned prayer.

The GOP uses them as patsys, just as the dems do with blacks.

Two pro-life justices were put on the Supreme Court by Bush 43, most Christians don't care what gays do who are not part of the church, and kids can pray (at least so far) whenever they want.

Two pro-life justices were put on the Supreme Court by Bush 43, most Christians don't care what gays do who are not part of the church, and kids can pray (at least so far) whenever they want.

So you are saying that the GOP does not write checks to the religious right that they never seem to cash?

I know better.

At least I admit that both sides are panderers.

TerryRC,

I forget that you are an expert on the values of the religious right:)

There is no question that both sides pander. That's how you win elections. Yes, neither side delivers all that it promises, and that's probably best for both sides to keep their people always wanting more for their cause.

But you asked what the Republicans did for the religious right, andhowed you two Supreme Court justices who are pro-life. The Republican Congress under Bush passed a partial birth abortion ban, as well.

Of course, you opposed the Republicans doing this. But they did all the same, and those of us in the actual Christian right (as opposed to agnostics claiming to speak for us) actually appreciate this!

But you asked what the Republicans did for the religious right, andhowed you two Supreme Court justices who are pro-life. The Republican Congress under Bush passed a partial birth abortion ban, as well.

A ban that has been challenged by many states and does very little to actually reduce the number of abortions as it was not that common a procedure in the first place.

In other words, an ineffective measure that got them votes without actually having to do anything.

And the religious right buys it hook line and sinker.

Of course, you opposed the Republicans doing this. But they did all the same, and those of us in the actual Christian right (as opposed to agnostics claiming to speak for us) actually appreciate this!

I was raised a christian. I probably know the bible as well as you do. I have as much right to speak of christians and what they seem to believe and want as you do.

If my words are in error, correct me. Who I may or may not happen to be is irrelevant to the argument.

What relevance has the ban being challenged by the states have to anything? You asked me what I've gotten from the Republicans and I told you.

As far as "not that common a procedure," what do you consider "not common?" I suppose the suttee is not common in the US either, would you oppose a ban on it:)?

What relevance has the ban being challenged by the states have to anything? You asked me what I've gotten from the Republicans and I told you.

The GOP knew that it likely wouldn't pass constitutional muster. In other words, it was an EMPTY GESTURE. Surely you can see the relevance of that?

As far as reducing abortions by banning this procedure, since it is a small small fraction of all abortions, it really didn't make a noticeable dent in the "problem".

Grandstanding, plain and simple.

Individuals matter, Terry. The "small small fraction" of babies saved from the brutality of being murdered just before drawing breath, they matter, Terry.