Question for the Sam

by Keli Sun May 15, 2011 7:21 am

IYHO, can a person be a scientist and not be an atheist?

by SamCogar Sun May 15, 2011 10:23 am

Keli wrote:IYHO, can a person be a scientist and not be an atheist?

Why absolutely they can, ....... they can claim to be whatever they want to claim to be, ..... just like everyone else does, ….. you included.

Now TH, I just cautioned ya'll bout posting comments of highly questionable "intentions" ...... and I don't think you are the least bit naive about much of anything ….. so I’se hain’t gonna cut you no slack on your query.

Therefore, IMHO, me thinks you posited the blatantly false assertion of …. “and not be”, inferring that it has to be one or the other, …. for the sole purpose of hoping to garner a response that was favorable to and would support your forthcoming argument, …. which I will quickly “nip in the bud”.

Not all scientists deal with “origins’ and you made no distinction between the ones that do and the ones that don’t. And secondly, those scientists that do deal with “origins", only a few of them deal with the “origin of everything” (a deity or creator), the remainder deal only with the “origins of specific entities”, …. which again you made no distinction between.

Thus Terry H, your above posited question could only possibly be in reference to those scientists that deal with the “origin of everything”, …. but really has to exclude all those within that group that are trying to prove “a deity didn’t do it”. One can’t claim to be or be branded an atheist iffen they are still trying to prove a deity doesn’t exist.

TH, me thinks you should cease with posting such “weazelworded” For-Fun-n’-Profit questions.

by Keli Sun May 15, 2011 4:34 pm

SamCogar wrote:
Keli wrote:IYHO, can a person be a scientist and not be an atheist?

Why absolutely they can, ....... they can claim to be whatever they want to claim to be, ..... just like everyone else does, ….. you included.

Now TH, I just cautioned ya'll bout posting comments of highly questionable "intentions" ...... and I don't think you are the least bit naive about much of anything ….. so I’se hain’t gonna cut you no slack on your query.

Therefore, IMHO, me thinks you posited the blatantly false assertion of …. “and not be”, inferring that it has to be one or the other, …. for the sole purpose of hoping to garner a response that was favorable to and would support your forthcoming argument, …. which I will quickly “nip in the bud”.

Not all scientists deal with “origins’ and you made no distinction between the ones that do and the ones that don’t. And secondly, those scientists that do deal with “origins", only a few of them deal with the “origin of everything” (a deity or creator), the remainder deal only with the “origins of specific entities”, …. which again you made no distinction between.

Thus Terry H, your above posited question could only possibly be in reference to those scientists that deal with the “origin of everything”, …. but really has to exclude all those within that group that are trying to prove “a deity didn’t do it”. One can’t claim to be or be branded an atheist iffen they are still trying to prove a deity doesn’t exist.

TH, me thinks you should cease with posting such “weazelworded” For-Fun-n’-Profit questions.

Sam, I will put you down as undecided.

by SamCogar Mon May 16, 2011 7:04 am

by **SheikBen** Mon May 16, 2011 8:58 am

The existence or non-existence of a Creator is not likely to be proven or disproven by science. One can look at given realities as "proof" for one position or the other, and no doubt that as Christians Keli and I see proof for special creation everywhere, whereas others see proof for "chance" "natural selection" and "genetic drift" everywhere. It's not unlike the religion of global warming. First you accept the "faith" and then all around you one sees evidence that confirms it.

A scientist with a materialist bias no doubt finds proof for it everywhere, just as the scientist with the Theistic bias finds proof for it everywhere.

by **SheikBen** Mon May 16, 2011 8:59 am

That being said, I obviously believe that nature itself testifies to the glory of God, but as a Christian, of course I do:)

by SamCogar Mon May 16, 2011 11:23 am

One can look at given realities as "proof" for one position or the other, and no doubt that as Christians Keli and I see proof for special creation everywhere, whereas others see proof for "chance" "natural selection" and "genetic drift" everywhere.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

Very Happy

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