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Post by Keli Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:41 am

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Post by SheikBen Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:25 am

Keli, I agree that Mormonism is not a Christian religion and should be labelled as such. However, I am far more concerned with Obama worship than I am with Romney's false-religion, and remember that Bill "the thrill" Clinton self identified as a Baptist.

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Post by ziggy Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:46 pm

SheikBen wrote:Keli, I agree that Mormonism is not a Christian religion and should be labelled as such.

Who or what authority should decide and do that labeling?
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Post by SheikBen Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:53 pm

Hi Zig,

Ultimately I trust that God will; in the meantime I am comfortable in my beliefs and my assessment of Mormonism. At the same time, just as I want the best doctor, plumber, artist, or whomever, regardless of religion, so too would I like a better President than the present.


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Post by Stephanie Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:26 pm

Is Catholicism a cult?
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Post by Keli Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:38 pm

Stephanie wrote:Is Catholicism a cult?

Any group claiming to be "Christian"; yet, also claiming to be the exclusive way to Heaven is a cult. Christ is the way (John 14:6): salvation is in a person and not in a church. Does the Catholic church claim that it is the church? If so, then it is a cult--as would be a Baptist, Presbyterian, Pentecostal church making the same claim.
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Post by SheikBen Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:18 am

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I think the issue of the word "cult" is at play here. I agree with Kelil that any church that would take the place of Jesus is a wrong way place, but I think "cult" denotes mindless followers of a charismatic figure (note not all followers of a charismatic figure, just mindless ones).

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Post by Keli Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:57 pm

http://www.truthinaction.org/index.php/2011/10/is-mormonism-a-cult/

Dr. Jeffress, the pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas, does, however, stand by his statement that Mormonism is a theological cult—and we stand with him.

But what is a cult? Dr. Charles Braden, coauthor with John C. Schaffer of the book These Also Believe, said this:

By the term cult, I mean nothing derogatory to any group so classified. A cult, as I define it, is any religious group which differs significantly in one or more respects as to belief or practice from those religious groups which are regarded as the normative expressions of religion in our total culture.

By that definition, the one employed by Dr. Jeffress and most evangelicals, Mormonism is a cult. Mormon teaching is in sharp disagreement with the standards of biblical Christian faith embraced by Christians for 2,000 years.

The faith founded by Joseph Smith got its start in the early 19th century, 1800 years after Christ, and differs dramatically from historic Christianity in its concept of God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, salvation, and what constitutes God’s revelation to man.

The late Dr. D. James Kennedy, founder of what is now Truth in Action Ministries (formerly Coral Ridge Ministries), has said that Mormon beliefs

are in open contradiction of the clear teachings of the Bible and must, therefore, be rejected by all those who accept the Bible as the true Word of God. While having the deepest respect for the moral and ethical standards of the Mormon people and their church, we must sadly reject their teachings as false and not Christian.

Christian apologist Dr. Walter Martin, author of the authoritative reference work The Kingdom of the Cults, has written that Mormonism has “an elaborate system of doctrine which is fundamentally opposed to historic Christianity.”

Unlike God, who is revealed in the Bible to be eternal, omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, the Mormon God is merely an advanced man. Joseph Smith taught that God “was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth….” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, Jr., Deseret Book Co, June 1977, p. 345).

Dr. Martin writes in the introduction to his Cults Reference Bible that Mormons believe God to be a “man of flesh and bone who lives on a planet called Kolob and sexually procreates spirit children with his harem of wives.”

Dr. Kennedy states in the booklet, The Wolves Among Us, that the Mormon view of God

is at once polytheistic and materialistic. It claims that there are many Gods and that Elohim is only the most advanced of this group. It also teaches that God the Father has a physical body and was once a man as we are today.

Christians have held since the first century that God is triune: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Mormon view, which holds that God was once a man and that all men have the potential to become Gods, denies the Trinity and makes the Incarnation “almost meaningless,” according to Dr. Kennedy.

The Bible teaches that Jesus is “God with us,” the eternal God in human flesh. The Mormon system, as Dr. Martin explains, teaches that Jesus is a created being, the first spirit child of God and his senior wife. Mormon doctrine holds that the younger brother of Jesus was Lucifer who challenged Jesus in his role as savior. Father God rejected Lucifer’s plan and later had sexual intercourse with Mary to bring Jesus into the world as a flesh-and-blood man.

Even this brief overview of Mormon belief about God and Jesus indicates how far removed it is from historic Christianity. While we respect and love Mormon individuals, many of whom have distinguished themselves in entertainment, business, and politics, it is a self-evident fact that Mormon doctrine is not biblical. Mormonism is not Christianity. The religion founded by Joseph Smith is, in fact, a cult.
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Post by Stephanie Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:37 pm

Two thoughts......

I think a lot of people place wayyy too much emphasis on religion.

It appears to me, organized religion pays a whole lot of attention to sex.
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Post by SheikBen Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:53 am

Stephanie,

Of course Christians pay a lot of attention to our faith. My eternal life is based exclusively on what Jesus has done for me. This cannot be a "passing fancy" relegated only to my quiet thoughts and never spoken of in public. I can no more neglect Jesus than I could far less important aspects of my life, and yet no one ever cries foul when someone tells them what they do for a living, what sport they play, of what team they are a fan.

As for sex, it is Biblical that spouses are to be sexually available to each other, but only to each other. Outside of that, I do not know of any other Biblical admonitions. "I am my beloved's and my beloved is mine." (Song of Solomon)

Now there ARE real hazards of even sex in holy matrimony. I hear three of them now:)

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Post by ziggy Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:14 pm

Stephanie wrote:.......................

It appears to me, organized religion pays a whole lot of attention to sex.

It is in the nature of humans and other animals to "pay attention to sex"- though usually mostly to our own. The "attention" organized religion pays to the sex of others is the concern.
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Post by SheikBen Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:55 pm

Ziggy,

For those outside of the Christian Church, I don't care who you sleep with. For those inside, Christian ethics are absolutely the church's business, particularly when non-Christians celebrate the public downfalls of the Swaggerts and friends.

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Post by ziggy Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:45 pm

SheikBen wrote:Ziggy,

For those outside of the Christian Church, I don't care who you sleep with. For those inside, Christian ethics are absolutely the church's business, particularly when non-Christians celebrate the public downfalls of the Swaggerts and friends.

So anyone who "celebrates" the downfall of Swaggert and friends is not a Christian? Or is it Swaggert and friends who are not Christians?

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Post by ziggy Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:47 pm

SheikBen wrote:Ziggy,

For those outside of the Christian Church, I don't care who you sleep with. For those inside, Christian ethics are absolutely the church's business, particularly when non-Christians celebrate the public downfalls of the Swaggerts and friends.

That is well and good, Ben. But so many of those "inside" seem MORE concerned with who sleeps with who OUTSIDE the Christian Church. How could they (the insiders) be so misguided?
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Post by SheikBen Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:22 pm

I'm not sure there are as many as you imagine.

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Post by ziggy Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:11 pm

SheikBen wrote:I'm not sure there are as many as you imagine.

The loudest voices decrying social acceptance of homosexuality outside the church come from inside the self-styled "Christian" churches, and from the political homo-cultists who pander to them.
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Post by SheikBen Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:18 am

Ah but now you are "social acceptance." Why is it your business that someone else "accepts" or "rejects" a given sexual activity?

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Post by Stephanie Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:06 pm

It is my business when they seek to infringe on the liberty of another. How can I be assured of liberty if you aren't assured of yours?
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Post by SheikBen Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:52 pm

Who is trying to keep someone from having sex? Is the church ringing your door bell at odd hours?

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Post by Stephanie Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:06 am

Because they extend it beyond the actual activity. They seek to deny homosexual couples the same rights that you and your wife and my husband and I enjoy.
I have said it before and I'll say it again, the government needs to get out of the business of marriage only now I'm going to state the obvious. Religious groups need to get out of the business of trying to legislate.
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Post by SheikBen Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:56 am

I don't disagree that government should get out of marriage. Why are you suggesting they intrude into even more reationships?

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Post by Stephanie Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:40 pm

Who says I am? They need to treat everyone equally. If the government extends priviledges and benefits to heterosexual couples, they must extend them to homosexual couples. I'm only demanding equal treatment.
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Post by Keli Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:43 pm

Stephanie wrote:Who says I am? They need to treat everyone equally. If the government extends priviledges and benefits to heterosexual couples, they must extend them to homosexual couples. I'm only demanding equal treatment.

Is marriage a right, Stephanie?
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Post by SheikBen Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:33 am

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Why do you accept the idea that government defines marriage, thereby sanctioning who you give legal rights to on the basis of a sexual relationship?

If government should not be in bedrooms, then they shouldn't be in anyone's, but your proposal is that government should be in EVERYONE'S bedrooms, not just traditionally married couples.

If, however, there is some reason that marriage is vital to the fabric of society and therefore the business of government, then it is redefined at society's peril. Contrarily, if it is not a compelling interest of government (and I argue that it is not), then the government intruding on more couples hardly means greater freedom. This is not about tolerance, but social acceptance, and we should not use the law to achieve social acceptance for any behavior, whether it is gay sex or gum chewing.

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Post by Stephanie Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:33 am

I believe the government should not be in the "marriage" business. I don't think I can possibly be more clear than that.
However, if the federal government is going to provide specific benefits and privileges for married couples, they must extend those benefits and privileges to all married couples. That is NOT about social acceptance, it is about equal treatment.
I don't think marriage is a right or a privilege. The pursuit of happiness is, however.
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