Now whatta ya’ll gonna do?
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Now whatta ya’ll gonna do?
Ya’ll agreed with the Afghan War because that was the “right thing to do”.
But ya’ll disagreed with the Iraq War because too many GIs are/were getting killed each month and it was the “wrong thing to do”.
Will it be ........ or
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But ya’ll disagreed with the Iraq War because too many GIs are/were getting killed each month and it was the “wrong thing to do”.
May combat deaths in Afghanistan outpace Iraq
Violence signals widening of war to Pakistan, Taliban, al-Qaida havens
BRUSSELS, Belgium - It's a grim gauge of U.S. wars going in opposite directions: American and allied combat deaths in Afghanistan in May passed the monthly toll in Iraq for the first time.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25149857/
Will it be ........ or
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SamCogar- Number of posts : 6238
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Well sAM a big news story broke yesterday re-enforcing what you are onto there.
But then Tim Russert died and the news coverage stopped.
But they stormed the big prison and busted out all the Talibans they had locked up.
I believe they said 1100 of them.
There was a suicide bomb attack and then a big shootout.
A bunch of guards were killed, but not sure if it included any Americans.
(I did find this account. Looks like Al Jazeera is claiming 800, but the original American source I heard said 1100. This is probably a more accurate account. They are usually more reliable in situations like this.)
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/119234CA-41A7-4CE1-8EF3-E8ACDA8837BA.htm
All news reporting stopped when the Russert story broke.
But then Tim Russert died and the news coverage stopped.
But they stormed the big prison and busted out all the Talibans they had locked up.
I believe they said 1100 of them.
There was a suicide bomb attack and then a big shootout.
A bunch of guards were killed, but not sure if it included any Americans.
(I did find this account. Looks like Al Jazeera is claiming 800, but the original American source I heard said 1100. This is probably a more accurate account. They are usually more reliable in situations like this.)
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/119234CA-41A7-4CE1-8EF3-E8ACDA8837BA.htm
All news reporting stopped when the Russert story broke.
shermangeneral- Number of posts : 1347
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Huh, and people poke fun at me for not relying soley on the American press.
http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Hundreds-of-Taleban-on-the.4185840.jp
Hundreds of Taleban on the run after suicide-bomb jailbreak
http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Hundreds-of-Taleban-on-the.4185840.jp
Hundreds of Taleban on the run after suicide-bomb jailbreak
.Published Date: 14 June 2008
By BRIAN FERGUSON
TALEBAN militants stormed a prison in Afghanistan last night, blowing open its main gates with a car bomb and freeing more than 1,000 inmates.
Several suicide bombers, dozens of fighters on motorbikes and a number of rockets were also used in the carefully orchestrated operation at the jail in Kandahar.
Under cover of darkness, most of the 1,150 prisoners, including some 400 Taleban inmates, are believed to have fled.
Some prisoners are believed to have been killed in the crossfire of a gun battle between police and the insurgents who managed to get inside the jail.
An unknown number of prison guards were also killed.
A state of emergency has now been declared in Kandahar city. Police and troops were on the streets and all residents were ordered to remain in their homes.
Officials said the attack, which lasted 30 minutes, began when a tanker full of explosives was detonated at the prison's main gate.
Minutes later, a suicide bomber on foot blasted a hole in the back of the prison and around 50 fighters stormed inside. One shopkeeper selling vegetables near the prison said he saw prisoners escape after the attack and run toward pomegranate and grape groves lying behind the complex.
Abdul Quadir, the prison director, said: "They (the Taleban] used a truck to blow the gate open and all of the guards at the gate have been killed and are under rubble."
Wali Karzai, brother of Afghanistan president Hamid Karzai and the president of Kandahar's provincial council, confirmed: "All the prisoners escaped. There is no one left."
Qari Yousef Ahmadi, a spokesman for the Taleban, said 30 insurgents on motorbikes and two suicide bombers attacked the prison. He claimed that the attack had been planned for the last two month, "to release our Taleban friends".
"Today we succeeded," he said, adding that the escaped prisoners "are safe in town and they are going to their homes".
The prison holds common criminals but also Taleban militants fighting Nato troops and the Afghan government.
Officials with Nato's International Security Assistance Force said they were aware of the attack but had no details.
Last month, some 350 Taleban suspects held at the Kandahar prison ended a week-long hunger strike after a parliamentary delegation promised their cases would be reviewed.
Some of the hunger strikers are believed to have been held without trial for more than two years. Others received lengthy sentences after short trials.
Kandahar – the Taleban's former stronghold and Afghanistan's second-largest city – has been the scene of fierce battles between Nato forces and insurgent fighters over the last two years.
The US military has handed over an unspecified number of suspected Taleban fighters to Afghan custody under a programme agreed last year to transfer all Afghan prisoners from American detention.
US troops have arrested thousands of suspected Taleban and al-Qaeda militants since invading Afghanistan in 2001, when they helped to topple the Taleban government.
The prison attack came the day after Afghanistan was promised more than £7 billion in aid
Re: Now whatta ya’ll gonna do?
I expect after being held for months or years without charges or trial and subjected to torture, etc they will all be radical jihadists now even if they were not before.
shermangeneral- Number of posts : 1347
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But isn't Afghanistan where you think we should be Sherm, going after OBL no matter the cost?
Aaron- Number of posts : 9841
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Absolutely.
And if we had concentrated our resources there instead of engaging in misguided military adventurism in Iraq this situation would not have occurred.
We would have captured or killed OBL by now.
Instead we have allowed this band of outlaws to flourish and recruit new members like a festering boil.
And if we had concentrated our resources there instead of engaging in misguided military adventurism in Iraq this situation would not have occurred.
We would have captured or killed OBL by now.
Instead we have allowed this band of outlaws to flourish and recruit new members like a festering boil.
shermangeneral- Number of posts : 1347
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That's an opinion.
I'm sure there are Russians that would agree it's very easy to go into Afghanistan and have your way.
I'm sure there are Russians that would agree it's very easy to go into Afghanistan and have your way.
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shermangeneral wrote:Absolutely.
And if we had concentrated our resources there instead of engaging in misguided military adventurism in Iraq this situation would not have occurred.
We would have captured or killed OBL by now.
Instead we have allowed this band of outlaws to flourish and recruit new members like a festering boil.
I totally agree.
Re: Now whatta ya’ll gonna do?
Aaron wrote:That's an opinion.
I'm sure there are Russians that would agree it's very easy to go into Afghanistan and have your way.
Yeah! Especially when they're being armed and trained by the USA.
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I believe there would be a national commitment in the case of bringing OBL to justice.
There is no national commitment to support the ill advised and arguably illegal occupation of Iraq.
There is no national commitment to support the ill advised and arguably illegal occupation of Iraq.
shermangeneral- Number of posts : 1347
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Stephanie wrote:Aaron wrote:That's an opinion.
I'm sure there are Russians that would agree it's very easy to go into Afghanistan and have your way.
Yeah! Especially when they're being armed and trained by the USA.
Ole Charlie did good, didn't he!!!!!!
Of course the Russians were 'winning' before he got involved, right Stephanie!
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shermangeneral wrote:I believe there would be a national commitment in the case of bringing OBL to justice.
There is no national commitment to support the ill advised and arguably illegal occupation of Iraq.
You seem to forget Sherm that over 70% of Americans wanted to go to Iraq including your boy Edwards.
There was a national commitment for Iraq just like there was a national commitment in Vietnam.
Mark my words, that as the situation in Afghanistan gets worse, and it will, the 'national commitment' will go by the wayside just like it did in Vietnam and Iraq.
Aaron- Number of posts : 9841
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There was arguably some national commitment in Iraq at first.
But it ended as the "war" morphed into an occupation.
So long as people believe OBL was responsible for the thousands of innocent victims of 9-11, there will be public support and commitment to any legitimate effort to bring him to justice.
(Or to take justice to him.)
But it ended as the "war" morphed into an occupation.
So long as people believe OBL was responsible for the thousands of innocent victims of 9-11, there will be public support and commitment to any legitimate effort to bring him to justice.
(Or to take justice to him.)
shermangeneral- Number of posts : 1347
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Aaron wrote:Stephanie wrote:Aaron wrote:That's an opinion.
I'm sure there are Russians that would agree it's very easy to go into Afghanistan and have your way.
Yeah! Especially when they're being armed and trained by the USA.
Ole Charlie did good, didn't he!!!!!!
Of course the Russians were 'winning' before he got involved, right Stephanie!
Senator Wilson took someone else's problem and made it made it our problem. We have been paying for it every since. We trained the terrorists who now seek to kill Americans.
btw......The Russians weren't losing.
Re: Now whatta ya’ll gonna do?
I expect after being held for months or years without charges or trial and subjected to torture, etc they will all be radical jihadists now even if they were not before.
I thought they were all innocent goat herders...
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Stephanie wrote:Aaron wrote:Stephanie wrote:Aaron wrote:That's an opinion.
I'm sure there are Russians that would agree it's very easy to go into Afghanistan and have your way.
Yeah! Especially when they're being armed and trained by the USA.
Ole Charlie did good, didn't he!!!!!!
Of course the Russians were 'winning' before he got involved, right Stephanie!
Senator Wilson took someone else's problem and made it made it our problem. We have been paying for it every since. We trained the terrorists who now seek to kill Americans.
btw......The Russians weren't losing.
And we weren't losing in Vietnam either.
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ohio county wrote:I expect after being held for months or years without charges or trial and subjected to torture, etc they will all be radical jihadists now even if they were not before.
I thought they were all innocent goat herders...
Even innocent goat herders- especially those held in prison for years, with no trials, tortured, (and worst of all, with no female companionship )- have their breaking points. Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose, you know.
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ohio county wrote:I expect after being held for months or years without charges or trial and subjected to torture, etc they will all be radical jihadists now even if they were not before.
I thought they were all innocent goat herders...
Well OC even the gvt. sources acknowledge that less than half were so-called terrorists.
And I suspect you know they always exaggerate so if they say 400 were terrorists maybe there really were a few.
I don't know. That is what I suspect though.
shermangeneral- Number of posts : 1347
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So did Bobby leave you nothing Frank?
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