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Why should the government be able to force a private business or individual to serve Baptists? You seem to be under the misguided impression that I think it's OK for the government to force atheists to serve Baptists but not OK for the government to force Baptists to serve homosexuals. This simply isn't the case.

You just don't get it, Steph. A private business that serves the PUBLIC is not strictly a private business.

If you want to discriminate, you must have a private clientèle, not open to just anyone that walks off the street. That would be a truly private business, free to discriminate as much as it likes.

Terry,

What difference should it make if a privately owned business is open to the public? If an individual, or group of individuals, invest the money and labor to open and operate any sort of business, why should the government be able to coerce that business to provide goods and services for anyone else? Aren't private business owners entitled to the fruits of their labors? Isn't one of those "fruits" the freedom to be able to pick and choose your customers?

Why is it you think it's acceptable for "clubs" with closed memberships to be so discriminatory? Isn't that a battle that has been fought for decades too? Can country clubs discriminate? Even the Boy Scouts of America are being sued for not allowing gays, and I think perhaps an atheist or two has sued them.

TerryRC wrote:TRC, cite me a reference to .... "pair bonding females (lesbians) in nature" .... or ...... "females (lesbians) in nature engaging in same-sex intercourse".

If homosexuality is not uncommon in nature ........ then it shouldn't be a problem for you to cite me a few examples and/or references to a few lesbian animals.

I don't have time for this crap.

I wasn't sex specific in my post, Sammy. You are the one that pointed out that homosexuality refers only to male same sex relationships.

I clarified my point, still without bringing sex into it. Go back and read. You are the one that brought lesbians into it.

Males will have sex with other males in some insect mating swarms.

Start with that and it will lead you to other examples. Ever seen a doe humping another doe?

I'm not going to get caught up in your nitpicking, however. Go be a boob to someone else.

You never have time for crap ...... when it comes time to explaining your own crap, ..... do you?

Then you make two (2) FALSE accusations about me.

I DID NOT ..... "pointed out that homosexuality refers only to male same sex relationships."

I pointed out that it refers to both sexes ...... and that is what got you all pissy faced.

I DID NOT ..... bring lesbians into it, ..... you did that by stating it was homosexuality.

Homosexuality means ....... both the males and the females of a species engage in same-sex acts.

And you TRC, can not cite me an example or reference of any species of two distinct sexes, other than humans, in which the females engage in sexual acts.

You are so silly that you think a male wolf's act of dominance is a homosexual act.

What about wrestlers, TRC, are they all homosexuals. They are always trying "to mount" one another, right.

The sexual act and caring for an offspring, in all lower animals, is driven by instinct, ....... period, end of story. And that instinct to ingage in sex is "triggered" by either a sight, a sound or a smell.

And one of those male animals will try to screw a pile of rocks ..... if it smells "right" to them ........ but that doesn't mean he is a rockosexual.

And ps, the males in an insect mating swarm is likely to screw anything that gets between them and the female.

And you claim to be an expert on insects, ...... scheeeeeech.

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There was a dog that lived below my ex-grandparents that had one glorious summer with a rolled up carpet. Every time you turned around, he was on the carpet, going with gusto that had the rabbits jealous. By the end of the summer, I'll bet they couldn't have unrolled that rug if they had wanted to.

I guess he was a carpetsexual.

Homosexuality means ....... both the males and the females of a species engage in same-sex acts.

Sam, you were the one that threw out the textbook definition for whatever reason to get the thread off track.

Your post was the first one in this thread to mention lesbians, again, for whatever reason. Go back and look. I just really don't care anymore.

You do see it in nature, particularly among primates. The paring might not be for life, but then not all "regular" pair-bonding is, either.

We see homosexual behavior in many animals. It often has to do with dominance (i.e. the does or my rabbits out back)

Whatever.

And ps, the males in an insect mating swarm is likely to screw anything that gets between them and the female.

No shit, Sherlock. What did you look it up on some bug-facts-for-kids website? It is still same sex intercourse.

What difference should it make if a privately owned business is open to the public? If an individual, or group of individuals, invest the money and labor to open and operate any sort of business, why should the government be able to coerce that business to provide goods and services for anyone else? Aren't private business owners entitled to the fruits of their labors? Isn't one of those "fruits" the freedom to be able to pick and choose your customers?


Not if you are "Open to the Public". If that is the case you must serve all of the public, not just the ones you like. How is the government coercing you if that is what your business does - serving the public?


Why is it you think it's acceptable for "clubs" with closed memberships to be so discriminatory? Isn't that a battle that has been fought for decades too? Can country clubs discriminate? Even the Boy Scouts of America are being sued for not allowing gays, and I think perhaps an atheist or two has sued them.

The scouts are being sued because they discriminate using federal money, not because they discriminate.

Country clubs can certainly discriminate. I'm too poor to join most of them. I may even be too Irish.

If there is a sign on their course that says "Open to the Public", that can't forbid anyone following the dress code from playing, however.

Does Augusta CC or the Masons allow women to join?

Private clubs and business are different from those open to the public, as long as they don't take federal money (or state, for that matter).

If you can't see that, I guess you never will.

TerryRC wrote:Homosexuality means ....... both the males and the females of a species engage in same-sex acts.

Sam, you were the one that threw out the textbook definition for whatever reason to get the thread off track.

Your post was the first one in this thread to mention lesbians, again, for whatever reason. Go back and look. I just really don't care anymore.

You do see it in nature, particularly among primates. The paring might not be for life, but then not all "regular" pair-bonding is, either.

We see homosexual behavior in many animals. It often has to do with dominance (i.e. the does or my rabbits out back)

Whatever.

And ps, the males in an insect mating swarm is likely to screw anything that gets between them and the female.

No shit, Sherlock. What did you look it up on some bug-facts-for-kids website? It is still same sex intercourse.

TRC, the other day I wasa watching TV with my dog Bowser and I wasa flipping through the Channels to find something interesting to both of us …… when I stopped for a second to light up a cigarette.

Well now, I just happened to stop on a Sports Channel that was televising a wrestling match and before I could get back to switching Channels again, ….. ole Bowser looked up at me and said, …..

“Sam, … just why the hell are those two queery homosexuals a grabbing n’ a squeezing and a trying to screw the other one right there on TV?”

And I says to him, ….. “Bowser, those two dudes are really not homos and they are really not trying to screw one another. They are called “wrestlers” and just because they look to you like a couple mink in the process of having sexual intercourse, I assure you that is not what they are doing.”

And ole Bowser looks back at me with a sneer on his snout and says, ….”Now Sam, don’t you be trying to shidt me …. cause I wasa reading that WV News Forum the other day and that TerryRC fellow definitely implied that when ya see two males a cavorting like that it is definitely a display of their homosexuality”.



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And ole Bowser looks back at me with a sneer on his snout and says, ….”Now Sam, don’t you be trying to shidt me …. cause I wasa reading that WV News Forum the other day and that TerryRC fellow definitely implied that when ya see two males a cavorting like that it is definitely a display of their homosexuality”.

Blah blah blah.

Some species of wasps set up house together and cooperatively rear the young - all females of course, as there no males in those species. There was once, of course, but these wasps found a way to do without them.

Homosexual behavior and bonding is very evident in the animal world Sam.

All of your snide comments won't change that fact.

TerryRC wrote:
Some species of wasps set up house together and cooperatively rear the young - all females of course, as there no males in those species. There was once, of course, but these wasps found a way to do without them.

Homosexual behavior and bonding is very evident in the animal world Sam.

All of your snide comments won't change that fact.

So TRC, are you saying that whenever two (2) sisters, ...... or a mother and daughter ..... are living in the same home together ..... and nurturing one or more children ........ then that is a lesbian or homosexual relationship?

Good thinking, Terry, ...... good thinking.

The ones that awarded you your Master's Degree must be mighty proud of you.

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If it isn't a choice, how do you explain Ann Heche's switch from Ellen Degenerrett to a man? How do you explain those who choose to be exclusively homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual? Homosexual defines what a person chooses to do--not what they are. A person is not an adulterer or pedophile in the same way that a person is an Eskimo. Eskimo is nature. Homosexual is a notion.

Armon Ayers wrote:If it isn't a choice, how do you explain Ann Heche's switch from Ellen Degenerrett to a man? How do you explain those who choose to be exclusively homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual? Homosexual defines what a person chooses to do--not what they are. A person is not an adulterer or pedophile in the same way that a person is an Eskimo. Eskimo is nature. Homosexual is a notion.

So expanding this to a broader scale, is sinfull what a person is, or what a person does?

ziggy wrote:

Armon Ayers wrote:If it isn't a choice, how do you explain Ann Heche's switch from Ellen Degenerrett to a man? How do you explain those who choose to be exclusively homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual? Homosexual defines what a person chooses to do--not what they are. A person is not an adulterer or pedophile in the same way that a person is an Eskimo. Eskimo is nature. Homosexual is a notion.

So expanding this to a broader scale, is sinfull what a person is, or what a person does?

A person is a sinner by nature and notion--and some like yourself have nurtured the condition.