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Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:51 pm

OBAMA'S - NOT EXACTLYS



1.) Selma Got Me Born –

NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google- 'Obama Selma' for his full March 4, 2007speech and articles about its various untruths.)

2.) Father Was a Goat Herder –

NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was a Proud Freedom Fighter –

NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties to African Freedom –

NOT EXACTLY,-your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that....and for more. Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia Muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter... Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been a Christian –

NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own
Interviews, not to mention Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives.

6.) My Name is African Swahili –

NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama. Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family were mainly Arabs... Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro).

7.) I Never Practiced Islam –

NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that Faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.4-3-08 Article "Obama was 'quite religious in Islam'" http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559> &pageId=60559

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian –

NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book). February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks); Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset." This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says "Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts."


9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian –

NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.


10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience –

NOT EXACTLY- you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, andcouldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the
Koran and watch cartoons?

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs –

NOT EXACTLY- except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.


12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use on Ethnic Confusion –

NOT EXACTLY- you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no Mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your
Classmates said you were just fine.


13.) Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office –
NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It
doesn't, and never did, exist.


14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook on Life –
NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your
Book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 –
NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not
have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Voting "Present" is Common In Illinois Senate –
NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Miss-voted –
NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your miss-vote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law –
NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer –
NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill -
NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass –
NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill –
NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which
David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records –
NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess –
NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld
Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25 My Economics Bill Will Help America –
NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois –
NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on
your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year –
NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their
creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA-
NOT EXACTLY, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the
conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism –
NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel.

30.) I Want All Votes To Count –
NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide.

31.) I Want Americans To Decide –
NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate –
NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics –
NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

34.) I Don't Take PAC Money –
NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

35.) I don't have Lobbysists –
NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

36.) My Campaign Had Nothing to Do With The 1984 Ad –
NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one
afternoon.

37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq –
NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care –
NOT EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't
Have to buy it.


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Post by ziggy Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:07 pm

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been a Christian –

NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own
Interviews, not to mention Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives.

What do you mean "Christianity wouldn't allow ................."?

It is Islam that doesn't allow ................... (under penatly of all manner of worldly punishments).

But Christianity is about free choice- choice to either follow the Gospel or to not follow the Gospel. At least that is what our friend Mikle here says. Or am I misunderstanding him?
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Post by SamCogar Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:38 am

ziggy wrote:
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been a Christian –

NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own
Interviews, not to mention Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives.

What do you mean "Christianity wouldn't allow ................."?

It is Islam that doesn't allow ................... (under penatly of all manner of worldly punishments).

But Christianity is about free choice- choice to either follow the Gospel or to not follow the Gospel. At least that is what our friend Mikle here says. Or am I misunderstanding him?

4. Qur'an permits limited polygyny As I mentioned earlier, Qur'an is the only religious book on the face of the earth that says 'marry only one'. The context of this phrase is the following verse from Surah Nisa of the Glorious Qur'an: 'Marry woman of your choice in twos' threes' or fours' but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly, (with them), then only one' [Al-Qur'an 4:3]

Before the Qur'an was revealed, there was no upper limit for polygyny and many men had scores of wives, some even hundreds. Islam put an upper limit of four wives. Islam gives a man permission to marry two, three or four women, only on the condition that he deals with them justly. In the same chapter i.e. Surah Nisa verse 129 says: 'It is very difficult to be just and fair between women'. [Al-Qur'an (4:129)]

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Post by SheikBen Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:40 am

I think a Christian's conscience would likely preclude her from participating in polygamy, but like everyone else, Christians make mistakes. I think the example of being involved in polygamy would indicate that whether she were a Christian or not, the Christian faith did not seem to influence her choice in marriage.

I am not familiar with Salat prayers, what are they?

As a Christian, I am not at all concerned with Obama and his family being or not being Christians (not in the political realm, anyway). I am concerned that he backs the odious practice of abortion which I as a Christian cannot tolerate. That would not change if Obama were a German Southern Baptist, an Angolian Catholic, a Boston fishwipe, or whatever.

I am all about people voting against Obama but if they are voting against him because they think he is a Muslim, I think they can and should find better reasons. If Obama's claims to Christianity are illegitimate, that will be attended to by God, a far better arbiter (and capable of far more considerable disciplinary action) than I am.

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Post by Stephanie Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:27 am

There are so many reasons not to vote for Obama. I see no reason for his religion to be brought up at all.
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Post by SamCogar Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:49 am

But Steph, what about all those millions who do not "see or understand" those many reasons not to vote for Obama?

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Post by Stephanie Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:02 am

I think they should be educated. Do you think it better they remain eternally ignorant?

What about the next election, and the one after that?
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Post by SheikBen Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:09 am

I'm torn. I agree that there are so many other reasons not to vote for Obama (and much better ones). Yet, if people don't vote for the menace for the wrong reasons, is that so bad:)? Actually, it is. But I don't mind that much!

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Post by SamCogar Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:39 am

Stephanie wrote:I think they should be educated. Do you think it better they remain eternally ignorant?

What about the next election, and the one after that?

But they will remain eternally ignorant about his religious beliefs unless they are told about them.

And one’s religious beliefs they are nurtured with from age 0 to 10+ years old, ….. kinda hangs with them for a lifetime.

And Obama’s Religious nurturing worries me.

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Post by Stephanie Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:49 am

What happened to my mother's religious nurturing? Her devout Catholic mother sent her to a Catholic elementary school, Mass on every "Holy Day of Obligation" and the majority of other days! (She went to Mass every day until she became bedridden)

When we were children we went to Mass on Easter Sunday. Now my mother only enters a church for weddings, funerals, and baptisms. lol
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Post by Aaron Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:13 am

My father quit going to church for good when the preacher ask him to please silent my mentally retarded brother while the choir was singing because it through them off.

He didn't lose his faith, quit talking to God or take up to running with the devil though. The only thing that changed was that he stayed home on Sundays as opposed to going to church.

I understand where he was coming from as I get older. I haven't lost my faith. If anything, I've expanded it. But I did get tired of christians and religion and that's why I don't go to church anymore.

Perhaps your mother got tired of trying to live by man's standards as well. Or perhaps she took to running with the devil. Only she can truely answer that.
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Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:23 pm

SheikBen wrote:I am not familiar with Salat prayers, what are they?

Salat? I think that is considered antipasto prayers. It is just before main course prayers--usually with the house dressing.
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Post by SamCogar Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:47 pm

Stephanie wrote:What happened to my mother's religious nurturing? Her devout Catholic mother sent her to a Catholic elementary school, Mass on every "Holy Day of Obligation" and the majority of other days! (She went to Mass every day until she became bedridden)

When we were children we went to Mass on Easter Sunday. Now my mother only enters a church for weddings, funerals, and baptisms. lol

Steph, I'll just betcha a cold Bud against a triple CM .... that nothing much has happened to your mother's religious nurturing.

Me thinks the Catholic Church has changed, not her.

Ask her to see what she has to say.

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Post by Stephanie Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:10 pm

Nah.....she married my father! lol

The woman does not drive a car and never has. So while her Methodist father went to great lengths to honor his dead wife's wishes (ferrying 4 children to different masses each weekend), my father didn't know her or care too much about what she would have wanted, I suppose.

My father always worked 40 hours a week painting houses for his father back in those days and sang in nightclubs to make ends meet. He was too tired for Mass on Sunday mornings and his upbringing didn't support it. His mother once saw me with a Bible and had a fit telling me "Get rid of that thing! It's the devil's work" At 91 she is still very superstitious, as are a lot of Italians of her generation. I'm still unclear on how it came to pass that her children were all baptized, even confirmed in the Catholic church. The only time I have ever seen my grandmother in a church was for a wedding or a baptism. The only funeral I ever remember her attending was her husbands and it wasn't held in a church, although a priest did perform a service at the funeral home.

Another thing about my mother.....my grandmother died at home of breast cancer in 1959 when my mother was only 14 years old. When she was finally about to die, my grandfather called the local priest to come and give her the last rites. He told my grandfather he couldn't come, he was going on a church hayride! He called the priest at St. Adalbert Church, the Polish church my grandmother attended growing up. That priest made the trip from the city to the suburbs where they lived, but her pastor of 15 years couldn't be bothered. I'm certain that played some role in her feelings later in life.
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Post by Keli Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:19 pm

Obama's website says the following:

"Barack Obama Is Not and Has Never Been a Muslim," followed by: "Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim."

I have a few questions for Obama's campaign and anyone inerested in researching Obama's background...which when considering him for the President of the United States, we as voters in this Republic have a de facto responsibility to do when any questions arise.

1. Did or did not Obama recite the Islamic call to prayer from memory in an interview? Did he or did he not, in that interview refer to it as one of the most beautiful sounds at sunset? - [Reference Obama:Man of the World, March 6, 2007, Nicholas D. Kristoff, NY Times Select]

From that article:

“I was a little Jakarta street kid,” he said in a wide-ranging interview in his office (excerpts are on my blog, www.nytimes.com/ontheground). He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his elementary school, but a president is less likely to stereotype Muslims as fanatics — and more likely to be aware of their nationalism — if he once studied the Koran with them.

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

2. Do or do not many Islamics consider the recital of that prayer as a defacto part of fundamental Islamic/Muslim religious membership? [Reference The Adhan (Ilsamic call to prayer)].

Allah is Most Great. Allah is Most Great.
Allah is Most Great. Allah is Most Great.
I bear witness that there is none worthy of being worshipped except Allah.
I bear witness that there is none worthy of being worshipped except Allah.
I bear witness that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah.
I bear witness that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah.
Come to prayer. Come to prayer.
Come to Success. Come to Success.
Allah is Most Great. Allah is Most Great.
There is none worthy of being worshipped except Allah.

3. Did or did not Obama attend, as a youth, Muslim schools and was he or was he not considered a member of the religion of his step father in Indonesia? [See notes and reference to number 1 above. Obama admits it himself.]
4. Was or was not Obama registered in his elementary school classes as a "Muslim" requiring that he study Islamic principles and the Loran each day? [Reference Barack Obnama's Muslim childhood.]

From that article:

Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng explained to Jodi Kantor of the New York Times: "My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim." An Indonesian publication, the Banjarmasin Post reports a former classmate, Rony Amir, recalling that "All the relatives of Barry's father were very devout Muslims."

Barack Obama's Catholic school in Jakarta.

The Catholic school: Nedra Pickler of the Associated Press reports that "documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim" while at a Catholic school during first through third grades. Kim Barker of the Chicago Tribune confirms that Obama was "listed as a Muslim on the registration form for the Catholic school." A blogger who goes by "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" found that "Barack Hussein Obama was registered under the name ‘Barry Soetoro' serial number 203 and entered the Franciscan Asisi Primary School on 1 January 1968 and sat in class 1B. … Barry's religion was listed as Islam."

The public school: Paul Watson of the Los Angeles Times learned from Indonesians familiar with Obama when he lived in Jakarta that he "was registered by his family as a Muslim at both schools he attended."

Clearly, the record is at significant odds with Obama's campaign, and his own statements. Why?

Now, whether or not Obama considers himself Muslim now, whether or not he is willing to admit to his past and upbringing, these questions and his efforts to hide or color the truth of his background are relavent to his aspirations to be President.

If he will not even be truthful about his own upbringing, his own roots...how can we expect him to be truthful about his own stances on critical issues of the day and his ideology as regards the United States?

The answer is plain...we can't. His own shifting stances on the issues, his own willful associations for decades with virulent anti-Americans and then his attempts to hide from those associations all atest to this.
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