McCain's Religious Voters

Few points come to mind:

What is the significance of McCain's choice of Giuliani as Keynote speaker? Pro-gay, pro-choice, divorced, -----is that a snub to evangelicals?

What about McCain's cross story...the one where he was in captivity? Rumor has it it may be fictionalized?

Also, his history such as calling the leafers of the Religious Right "agents of intolerance"?

Don't you know Craig you shouldn't believe rumors.

I don't think that McCain is a favorite of the religious right.

He didn't make any friends in 2000 with his condemnation of these "agents of intolerance."

Still, as a Christian voter, Obama is not an option.

Elective abortion is a non-negotiable issue.

Which is why I never would have voted for Giuliani.

Despite voters like myself, it would seem that the Republican Party is more tolerant of dissent than the Democratic Party is. If Bob Casey, Sr were alive, you could ask him.

Hmmm...but the Dems softened their abortion stance. They also allowed Bob Casey Jr to speak THIS year.

Elective abortion is a non-negotiable issue.

I agree. The government cannot hold a gun to a woman's head and force her to be a broodmare.

Bob Casey jr. is not Bob Casey sr. He is a lot more palatable and pliable with regard to abortion on demand.

Why shouldn't Giuliani speak? He's a republican. It's the republican convention. Some republicans consider him an heroic figure. He's supporting McCain. What do you want? They let a democrat speak for pete's sake...

TerryRC wrote:Elective abortion is a non-negotiable issue.

I agree. The government cannot hold a gun to a woman's head and force her to be a broodmare.

And there you have it, Terry. Either abortion is the termination of a human life or it is nobody's business but the mother's. I agree.

Just not with the part of the fetus not being a human. I also believe human motherhood to be a higher calling than carrying a foal.

I also believe human motherhood to be a higher calling than carrying a foal.

Why? How is it any different?

Many mothers pay no more attention to their kids than a mare anyway.

You would give a POTENTIAL human more rights than the mother, an ACTUAL human.

That makes no sense and is contrary to the COTUS, a document that gives rights only to those BORN.

TerryRC wrote:I also believe human motherhood to be a higher calling than carrying a foal.

Why? How is it any different?

Many mothers pay no more attention to their kids than a mare anyway.

You would give a POTENTIAL human more rights than the mother, an ACTUAL human.

That makes no sense and is contrary to the COTUS, a document that gives rights only to those BORN.

Are you kidding? How is it any different?!?!?!

No I do not give potential humans more rights than current humans. I do not believe that the fetus is to survive if the mother is to die, although clearly this hardly ever is the choice to be made. I do believe that the fetus is not to die for the mother's convenience. The right to life is more important than the right to convenient living. Call that fundamentalist dogma if you wish.

Are you kidding? How is it any different?!?!?!

Yes, sheik. How is it any different?

A human being is worth more than many animals.

Terry,

Are you a vegan?

Have you ever bought or sold an animal like a horse or a dog or a chicken?

Would you buy a child? Would you sell one of yours?

A human being is worth more than many animals.

Why?

Just because you say so doesn't make it true.

Is it because we build things? So do termites. Is it because we are intelligent? There is every evidence that the cetaceans are, also.

Is it because we invent religions... ?

We [humans] are important to ourselves. From a biological standpoint, however, we are still just animals.

Well Terry I am going to let that speak for itself. That is the logical consequence of our indifference to the innocent.

Diogenes can, however, put down his lamp. An honest man has been found.

Well Terry I am going to let that speak for itself. That is the logical consequence of our indifference to the innocent.

I never said I was indifferent to the innocent. I just asked what makes humans so special.

So you can't answer the question of what makes humans so special as compared to any other form of life on this planet?

I thought not.

We do not assess evil to a lion who eats a person. A tragedy, sure, but the lion is not a moral agent. He does not have the capacity to make decisions of right and wrong.

My cat acts like a cat. He may be a "good" cat, but that's due to his genetics. A cat who claws you may well be "bad," but he is not "evil."

A person, however, is a free moral agent and is responsible when she does well or does evil. I have yet to see a donkey run a soup kitchen but I have seen asses in Congress!

Terry,

Did you miss my most recent post?

Are you a vegan?

Have you ever bought or sold a dog, cat, cow, chicken, or other animal?

Would you ever buy or sell a child?