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Post by Keli Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:05 am

NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION


This is probably the best e-mail I've seen in a long, long time. The following has been attributed to State Representative Mitchell Kaye from GA. This guy should run for President one day.


'We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the blessings of debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great-grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridden, delusional. We hold these truths to be self evident: that a whole lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim they require a Bill of NON-Rights.'


ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV, or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.


ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc.; but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.


ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful; do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy.


ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes. Get an education and go to work. ...don't expect everyone else to take care of you!


ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in public health care.


ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.


ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat, or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen color TV or a life of leisure.


ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have a job, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful. (AMEN!)


ARTICLE IX: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness, which by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an over abundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.


ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you are from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to wherever you came from! (Lastly....)


ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country's history or heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God. And yet, you are given the freedom to believe in any religion, any faith, or no faith at all; with no fe ar of persecution The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST is part of our heritage and history, and if you are uncomfortable with it, TOUGH!
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Post by TerryRC Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:32 am

You do not have the right to change our country's history or heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God. And yet, you are given the freedom to believe in any religion, any faith, or no faith at all; with no fe ar of persecution The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST is part of our heritage and history, and if you are uncomfortable with it, TOUGH!

How can you say that with a straight face?

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Post by Stephanie Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:14 am

I think he honestly believes that to be true, Terry.
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Post by Aaron Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:52 am

In God We Trust first appeared on coins in 1864 but didn't become our national motto until 1956 through an act of Congress.

As 3 out of 4 Americans identify themselves as "Christians" today, the first settlers came to this country so they could practice their religious freedom, and the majority of our founding fathers held Christian beliefs so I would say the statement is fairly accurate.
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Post by Stephanie Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:28 pm

Aaron,

I really must disagree with you about the original settlers coming here for religious freedom. I'm surprised you're not better acquainted with colonial history. The Pilgrims were very strict and intolerant of even the slightest dissent.

Do some research on RI's founder, Roger Williams. He truly is the founding father of religious freedom in this nation, if not the world. While you're at it, check out Anne Hutchinson, who also settled in RI to flee religious persecution in Massachussettes Bay Colony.
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Post by ziggy Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:50 pm

3 out of 4 Americans identify themselves as "Christians"?

So what? Unless they really are Christians, does that self-identity mean anything?.

Or is a Christian anyone who says he or she is?

When we look at how many different kinds of Gods it takes to support however many kinds of "Christians" there are, then the mantra that "This country was founded on the belief in one true God" is jibberish.

Which of our many gods is the "one true God"?
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Post by SheikBen Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:04 pm

Ziggy, On one point we certainly agree. Just because someone self-identifies as a Christian does not make it so. People will often self-identify that way because they were raised in a church, even though they have never given Jesus much considered thought.

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Post by ziggy Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:44 am

CHRISTIAN, n.
One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor.
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Post by Aaron Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:50 pm

You can disagree if you like Stephanie. That doesn't change history. Most who came to the New World did so to escape religious persecution and to practice religious freedom. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t religious persecution in America.

And the God would be Jehovah Frank as the one 3 out of 4 Americans believe in. They know who he is even if you don’t. Nor should you as the 1 of the 4.
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Post by Stephanie Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:07 pm

Aaron wrote:You can disagree if you like Stephanie. That doesn't change history. Most who came to the New World did so to escape religious persecution and to practice religious freedom. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t religious persecution in America.

And the God would be Jehovah Frank as the one 3 out of 4 Americans believe in. They know who he is even if you don’t. Nor should you as the 1 of the 4.

Aaron,

I'm not the one trying to alter history to suit my ideology or my perspective.

Most of the original colonists came here for economic reasons. They were looking for a better life, to make their fortune, for land etc. They weren't interested in ideals like freedom of religion, they weren't looking to create a better society.

The founder of that movement clearly was Roger Williams. Anne Hutchinson, to a degree, followed in his footsteps, but with Hutchinson it was a combination of religious persecution and sexism that she was fleeing.

Do the research, Aaron. You will see that I am correct.
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Post by Aaron Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:11 pm

Based on my studies (I was a history major before I dropped out of College to go to work to support my family) I'd say you're closer to re-writing history then you are altering it. Europeans came to the new world for many reasons and yes, economic, was one of them. But by far, the biggest for most, including Roger Williams, was to escape religious persecution.

Like it or not, this country was founded on religious principals, values and beliefs and christianity has and will continue to play a major role in our society, our country and our way of life. That is a simple fact that is only solidified by 3 out of 4 Americans viewing themselves as 'christians'.
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Post by ziggy Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:56 am

And the God would be Jehovah Frank as the one 3 out of 4 Americans believe in.

How many of those 3 out of 4 even know what "Jehovah" means? Is Jehovah a Jewish God, a Muslim God, a Christian God, or all three?

They know who he is even if you don’t. Nor should you as the 1 of the 4.

Who says I am "1 of the 4", and by what authority do they say so?
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Post by Stephanie Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:02 am

Aaron,

You're going to have to better than that. You think the nation was founded by people seeking a place to practice Christianity without persecution? What were they practicing in England and Spain and France back then?

The Puritans were anything but benevolent. They were completely intolerant of even the slightest dissention. They utilized everything from the stocks to hangings and were extremely brutal. When Anne Hutchinson and her family were massacred by indians they were pleased, some actually celebrating that this action was the "hand of god" or some such bullshit.

Many of the men we view today as our founding fathers were not Christian. They were deists. Thomas Jefferson called himself a "Materialist" or a "Universalist". He refused to proclaim any national days of prayer. In a letter to John Adams Jefferson named Joseph Priestly (English Unitarian who moved to America) and Conyers Middleton (English Deist) and said:
I rest on them ... as the basis of my own faith

In his autobiography Franklin wrote:

Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle's lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist. My arguments perverted some others, particularly Collins and Ralph; but each of them having afterwards wrong'd me greatly without the least compunction, and recollecting Keith's conduct towards me (who was another freethinker) and my own towards Vernon and Miss Read, which at times gave me great trouble, I began to suspect that this doctrine, tho' it might be true, was not very useful.

Thomas Paine published "The Age of Reason". John Adams, James Madison, both deists.

Raised an Anglican, George Washington was never confirmed. Over the course of his slow death he never prayed, never asked for a minister. When he wrote of religion he used terms like "the Deity" or "Providence" not "Christ" or "the Holy Trinity".

For these reasons, and many more, I reject the notion that this nation was founded on Christianity.

Keep in mind, you may have studied Colonial American history from books and heard many lectures, but I have walked the Freedom Trail. I've been to Bunker Hill and Faneuil Hall. I've been inside the North Church and I've stood on the site of the Boston Massacre. Museums in Boston, Providence, Bristol, Hartford, Concord, Salem, Peabody have provided me the opportunity to view some of the original documents as have libraries from New Haven to Newport to Gloucester to Portland.

You should go and do it. There must be at least 200 more museums and historical sites in southern New England alone I still hope to visit one day.
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