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Post by Keli Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:29 pm

Summary of Obama's debate performance tonight: "I've got a bracelet, too."
PBS ^ | 9/26/2008 | PBS


Barack was the very junior senator on the defensive the entire evening. After John McCain eloquently (and without notes) discussed the bracelet he wears given to him by the mom of a dead Iraq war vet. Trying to prove his own support for the troops, Obama chimed in with a pathetic "I've got a bracelet, too," as he looked down at his notes to read the name of the soldier.
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Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:12 pm

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Post by Keli Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:00 am

That soldier is Ryan David Jopek. Barack Obama doesn't appear to have known that fact.

Here's his complete line:

"Jim, let me just make a point. I've got a bracelet too. From, Sergeant, uh, uh, from the mother of, uh, Sergeant, Ryan David Jopek."
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Post by TerryRC Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:38 am

Did you watch the debate?

McCain wouldn't answer the questions posed by the moderator half of the time.

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Post by SheikBen Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:22 am

Terry,

With three small kids I did not get to listen to very much of it, but what little I heard from McCain and Obama did not impress me at all. I heard some real dodges and heard McCain in particular repeat himself and laughing at his being called "the sheriff."

Having not heard much of it, I cannot say who "won," but McCain in particular sounded weak. I just plain don't like Obama but I do like his speaking manner.

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Post by sodbuster Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:33 am

I thought the debate was off since McCain bailed out.

Guess he changed his mind?

But after seeing Terri's post I turned on CNN and their polls do not agree with Terri's analysis.

Their polls show Obama "won" by a wide margin.

Course they are really not "debates" anyway.

More and more it looks like McCain's support is shrinking to the same hard core rightwing base of around 30%.

Same as Bush.

It is sad, really.

I am like Terry RC I would have probably voted for McCain at one time.

But he just seems to feel a need to pander to the rightwing fringe.

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Post by Keli Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:54 am

Let's give the vacillating Muslim neophyte a chance to serve out Jimmy Carter's second term--what have we got to lose?
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Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:07 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a63v0GF8Fs4
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Post by Keli Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:09 am

{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...

MCCAIN
67% 185,023
OBAMA
30% 83,303
NEITHER
2% 6,370

Total Votes: 274,696
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Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:29 am

sodbuster wrote:I thought the debate was off since McCain bailed out.

Guess he changed his mind?

But after seeing Terri's post I turned on CNN and their polls do not agree with Terri's analysis.

Their polls show Obama "won" by a wide margin.

Course they are really not "debates" anyway.

More and more it looks like McCain's support is shrinking to the same hard core rightwing base of around 30%.

Same as Bush.

It is sad, really.

I am like Terry RC I would have probably voted for McCain at one time.

But he just seems to feel a need to pander to the rightwing fringe.

If Obama won, it is because he agreed with McCain on almost every point.
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Post by Aaron Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:00 pm

McCain wanted town hall type debates for the same reason Obama wanted question and answer types with a moderator.

Town Hall favors more open, spontaneous answers while moderator questions (pre-approved by the candidates of course) favor a polished speaker such as Obama.

Of course he would do better in that type of setting. After all, it is his one and only qualification for the job he is applying for.
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Post by SheikBen Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:16 pm

Sherm,

The CNN poll, if you read it's own description, was a statistical tie given that the sample was overrepresented with Democrats.

They concluded that this was a victory for Obama who was ahead before the debate.

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Post by sodbuster Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:58 pm

I did not read anything Mike I just turned the tv on cnn and that's what they said.

I cant say either way because McCain said he wasnt coming so I didnt watch it.

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Post by SheikBen Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:51 am

From the CNN website:

"The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey is not a measurement of the views of all Americans, since only people who watched the debate were questioned and the audience included more Democrats than Republicans."

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Post by TerryRC Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:32 am

Let's give the vacillating Muslim neophyte a chance to serve out Jimmy Carter's second term--what have we got to lose?

HURRR!!!OBAMAOSAMA!!!!

Even though he belongs to a christian church, you continue to spout this tripe.

You are surreal.

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Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:36 am

TerryRC wrote:Let's give the vacillating Muslim neophyte a chance to serve out Jimmy Carter's second term--what have we got to lose?

HURRR!!!OBAMAOSAMA!!!!

Even though he belongs to a christian church, you continue to spout this tripe.

You are surreal.

Haven't you heard "Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing?" (Or, would yo only apply this to me?)

Muhammadan slip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I
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Post by TerryRC Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:44 am

You are kidding, right?

Haven't you heard "Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing?" (Or, would yo only apply this to me?)

I would apply it to anyone that made a big deal about their religious beliefs (or anyone else's), particularly "crusaders" like you.

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Post by SheikBen Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:54 pm

SheikBen wrote:From the CNN website:

"The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey is not a measurement of the views of all Americans, since only people who watched the debate were questioned and the audience included more Democrats than Republicans."

Sherm,

Just in case you missed it earlier. As it turns out, self-identified Democrats support the Democratic Candidate.

Shocking.

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Post by sodbuster Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:59 pm

Well Mike I think you are fooling yourself.

Check the gallup poll it has a good rep.

Although far as I know CNN does too.

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Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:38 pm

sodbuster wrote:Well Mike I think you are fooling yourself.

Check the gallup poll it has a good rep.

Although far as I know CNN does too.

Sod,
What percentage points did those same pollsters have Kerry up over Bush four years ago?
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Post by sodbuster Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:42 pm

I dunno Terri I cant remember but I think they had it pretty close.

And it was.

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