Change?

No, not unless you volunteer to sign up voters at the cemetary. We're all going to be community organizers now.

Well if that actually goes through Loyd will never attend school. I had always thought he'd go to high school some day.

Stephanie wrote:Well if that actually goes through Loyd will never attend school. I had always thought he'd go to high school some day.

I looks like they are talking about goals, not mandates. Besides, whatcha' got against community service?

bmd wrote:

Stephanie wrote:Well if that actually goes through Loyd will never attend school. I had always thought he'd go to high school some day.

I looks like they are talking about goals, not mandates. Besides, whatcha' got against community service?

Graduation requirements are not goals. They are mandates.

You will find few people who have spent more time volunteering over the years than I have. The problem is, when it is forced it is no longer volunteering. When it is mandated it is slave labor. A very long time ago a Republican named Abe Lincoln abolished slavery in this country. I don't care to bring it back in any form.

Well Steph what if someone else decides if you want to volunteer for something?

Stephanie wrote:
Graduation requirements are not goals. They are mandates.

Could ya' point out where the POTUS-elect said anything about community service being a H.S. graduation requirement?

bmd wrote:

Stephanie wrote:Well if that actually goes through Loyd will never attend school. I had always thought he'd go to high school some day.

I looks like they are talking about goals, not mandates. Besides, whatcha' got against community service?

BMD, one of my three jobs is supervising teens performing court ordered community service. I therefore think community service is an excellent thing, good for those who have to and those teens who are just being nice.

The struggle, however, is not in the "service" part but rather in the "community" part. You can mandate community service, but if the community itself does not want to invest in it's students, the matter becomes a disaster. I'm not speaking of financial investment, by the way, but rather real time spent with teens in activities that really benefit the community rather than a particular ideological group or what have you.

If a community service requirement were to lead to strong communities across the board, I would favor it, but I rather doubt that this will happen. Many Catholic schools already have community service requirements, and some of them are having some trouble with it.

Well Mike many colleges also have that requirement.

My daughter went to WV Wesleyan and participated in several worthwhile projects.

She is in Law School now down at Appalachian LS in Virginia and they are also big on that.

Another idea I have heard kicked around is a 2 year commitment right out of HS and let them choose either military or Community Service such as AmeriCorps or VISTA.

In return they would get 2 yrs. of free college or post secondary training.

sodbuster wrote:Well Steph what if someone else decides if you want to volunteer for something?

Nobody else decides if I want to volunteer for something. I decide what I want to volunteer for and how much time and energy I'm going to devote to it. Otherwise, I'm not volunteering.

sodbuster wrote:Well Mike many colleges also have that requirement.

My daughter went to WV Wesleyan and participated in several worthwhile projects.

She is in Law School now down at Appalachian LS in Virginia and they are also big on that.

Another idea I have heard kicked around is a 2 year commitment right out of HS and let them choose either military or Community Service such as AmeriCorps or VISTA.

In return they would get 2 yrs. of free college or post secondary training.

I just love the way these "ideas" are kicked around by a bunch of folks who are middle aged to senior citizens for America's youth.

Let them decide between two years of military service or AmeriCorps. See how well they enjoy it.

One of my fears is that "community service" will in many cases mean "community organizing."

Well Mike you are probably too young to remember but have you heard of the CCC?

Of course. They had projects all over these parts. I have much less fear of that than I do with "community service" meaning ACORN.

I have no problem with a publically funded, optional year or two of public service in the vein of Americorps or something similar. I wish the national government spent less in general, but if we are going to hand out money we might as well ask for something in return.

Well I had opportunity to work with AmeriCorps kids and VISTA volunteers for a couple years and I thought it was good for both them and the communities they served.

For those of you way on the left, William, Sherman, TerryRC, what are your thoughts on so many of the Messiahs potential cabinet members spending more time inside the beltway then out?

Hey, Aaron?

How do I qualify as "leftist"?

I oppose social security.
I crave welfare reform.
I am not a strong advocate of public schools.
I support school vouchers.

When it comes to the size of the fed, I want it smaller.

I could go on, but you get the point...

I am a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. Once upon a time, we called those people "libertarians".

It is so cute, however, when you say "left" like it is an insult.

You forgot to list your thoughts on so many of his cabinet members coming from inside the beltway Terry.

How many cabinet members have been appointed?

I must have slept right through it....

Ok Sherm, answer this. Of all the POTENTIAL cabinet members mentioned for various positions, how can the Obama team consider it change when so many of them, like his VP and Chief of STaff, come from INSIDE the beltway?

I think the more things "change", the more they stay the same.

And why shouldn't they?

The liberal media and those on the left had a field day with McCain's "outside the beltway" VP pick.

Hell, they're still having a feild day with her. I think they're scared pissless that she'll some how end up in Stevens seat and become a national figure and they're doing all they can to put her back in her place.

Maybe they are afraid of another Reagan. He took an angry media and used it for his ends as the great communicator.

Now Palin has yet to have any kind of performance like Reagan's in 1964 or later, but ya never know. She might just take them on and win next time. We'll see if she is down and out or just reloading. I hope she's reloading.

sodbuster wrote:How many cabinet members have been appointed?

I must have slept right through it....

Aaron wrote:Ok Sherm, answer this. Of all the POTENTIAL cabinet members mentioned for various positions, how can the Obama team consider it change when so many of them, like his VP and Chief of Staff, come from INSIDE the beltway?

Comments Sherman???

Obama, Candidate of Change, Looks to Old Hands From Clinton Era

Catherine Dodge and Kristin Jensen Catherine Dodge And Kristin Jensen Sun Nov 9, 7:00 pm ET
Nov. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama, elected president as an agent of change, is building his new team with old hands from the Clinton administration.

His first appointment, chief of staff, went to Rahm Emanuel, an Illinois representative and veteran of the last Democratic White House. Leading Obama's transition team is John Podesta, who was President Bill Clinton's chief of staff.

Obama's most dramatic step would be to name New York Senator Hillary Clinton, his defeated rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, as secretary of state. Two Obama advisers confirm the idea has been discussed, though they say they don't know how seriously the president-elect is considering it or whether Clinton would accept it.

Faced from day one with an economic crisis and two wars, Obama's campaign theme of changing the way Washington works is about to be overtaken by getting to work in Washington. For that, experience helps.

``Once you become president-elect, the rubber hits the road, and you're going to want to put people in positions of power who have a proven track record,'' says Chris Lehane, who was a special assistant counsel to Clinton.


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Once you become president-elect, the rubber hits the road, and you're going to want to put people in positions of power who have a proven track record,'' says Chris Lehane, who was a special assistant counsel to Clinton.

Regarding this paragraph, didn't Obama have anyone tell him this during the past two years he campaigned, and if so, why didn't he mention it during his campaigning?

Thoughts on this paragraph Sherman?

Well out of all that lengthy discourse, you only mentioned one person who "might" be asked to serve in a policy making position.

That would be Hillary Clinton at Sec. of State.

And I dont believe even you, one of the most vocal enemies of Democrats, even you could not say the appointment of Hillary would not bring significant change vis-a-vis foreign policy compared to the Bush regime.

Emmanuel and Podesta are serving in nuts and bolts kind of jobs who just try to keep the trains running.

They dont make policy.

You wouldn't be just parroting the professional rightwing talking point pundits would you Aaron?

You forgot to list your thoughts on so many of his cabinet members coming from inside the beltway Terry.

So the fact that I haven't made a comment on potential cabinet members of the President-Elect makes me a "leftist". Never mind the fact that I haven't read or watched the news since the day after the election.

Are you a "rightist" because you haven't vigorously trashed Bush's trampling of civil liberties?

Bah. On some issues, I am to the right of you. You appear to consider yourself to be a moderate. Is that so you can partisanize anyone that disagrees with you on a particular subject?

Partisanize them with pithy, pointless gratuitous comments like this:

Hell, they're still having a feild day with her. I think they're scared pissless that she'll some how end up in Stevens seat and become a national figure and they're doing all they can to put her back in her place.

I waited to post until after the election because I thought that some of you would have dropped this B.S. I was wrong, again.

If anyone is having a field day with the media, it is McCain's staff. These rumors are reported come from GOP members. I hope the "they" you are talking about is them and not the evil "liburls".

I just want her to go back to Alaska so I don't have to listen to her any more. The fact that the citizens of that state re-elected Stevens, a known criminal and liar, back to his seat tells me that Palin and the majority of the voting citizens of that state deserve each other.

You are like her in one way. Instead of "us", it is always "them" and "us". "Them" is whoever you can demonize to gain support. Most of the rest of us dropped those tactics by high school.

Leaves me small hopes for the future.