Somali hijack Saudi tanker

Somali. Isn't that the country Bill Clinton cut and ran from like a yellow dog coward in 1994. This goes to show what happens when you cut and run.

Pirates hijack Saudi tanker off African coast: US


by Mohamed Hasni Mohamed Hasni Mon Nov 17, 9:51 pm ET
DUBAI, (AFP) – Pirates have seized control of the Saudi-owned oil super tanker Sirius Star off the east coast of Africa and are taking it towards a Somali port, the US Navy and the ship's operator said.

The 318,000 deadweight tonnes Very Large Crude Carrier is the largest vessel to be seized in an epidemic of piracy in the region.

The hijacking of the Sirius Star some 450 miles east of Kenya on Sunday was also the furthest out to sea Somali pirates have attacked a ship, according the US Navy.

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About a year ago, they tried to hi-jack the USS Cape St. George. They failed.

Aaron wrote:This goes to show what happens when you cut and run.

Clinton inherited Somalia from yet another bumbling Bush. What congressional authorization there for the invasion of Somalia? Only yesterday you were telling us about how important the War Powers Act is.

Anyway, why shouldn't shipping companies provide their own security?

Bush I invaded Somalia because he thought he could throw out the thugs in a couple weeks. He grossly under-estimated the task. Like son, like father?

ziggy wrote:Anyway, why shouldn't shipping companies provide their own security?

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ziggy wrote:Bush I invaded Somalia because he thought he could throw out the thugs in a couple weeks. He grossly under-estimated the task. Like son, like father?

At least he knew that occupying Iraq was something to be avoided.

Not our problem. Let the Saudis figure it out.

bmd wrote:

ziggy wrote:Anyway, why shouldn't shipping companies provide their own security?

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Actually, that is the answer to why they don't provide more security. They probably should do so, but have made the decision that it's cheaper not to. The average crew size on many of even the largest ships is only about a dozen or so, and only half of them would be duty at any particular moment. They would probably have to double the complement to have an effective security force. Even at that, a fire fight on a ship filled with flammable cargo might not be all that great an idea either. My guess is that the shipping companies figure that it's cheaper to pay a higher insurance premium, and risk having to file a claim against it, than paying $$$ to hire lots of armed guards.

Stephanie wrote:Not our problem. Let the Saudis figure it out.

Once the cargo is on board, it's the ship's problem. Besides, tankers are only a fraction of the hijacked ships.

I just don't want to see our meddling government decide it needs to send more troops to Somolia or to have or Navy provide security for everybody else from pirates. You know this country has this habit of sticking its nose where it does not belong that its been engaged in since before my birth.

OK we have a ship hijacked off the Somali coast 8 years into the Bush Administration and that is Bill Clinton's fault?

Heck Aaron that is an even bigger stretch than Stephanie trying to blame the Bush meltdown on Bill Clinton.

Bill Clinton cannot even do charity work to help address the problem of Aids in Africa without being roundly criticized by the rightwing fanatics.

Bush I invaded Somalia late in his term, promising to mop up the situation and vacate before his term ended.

And, as usual, the little mop up operation turned into a cluster coitus dropped in Bill Clinton's lap.

However, all that being said, I have no problem with our Navy helping to maintain the integrity of the high seas and keeping shipping lanes open in such a well established route.

Although it should be a collaborative international effort.

Not the cowboy diplomacy we have come to expect the past 8 years.

It would be real ironic if Bush II left the Dems with another Somali extrication problem.

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/10/blackwater-well.html

And of course there is the Blackwater option.

Perhaps you guys should do a little research on Somalis before you spout your tripe. Bush 1, who was anything but bumbling by the way, did not invade Somalia. The United Nations was in Somali months before Bush committed troops under UNOSOM 1 but couldn't get anything done.

Bush 1 committed troops to UNITAF in December 92 to stabilize Somali so that humanitarian aid could be dispensed. It worked and by March, 1993, the US had only a small contingent of troops left in Somali and those were there waiting on the UN to take over.

Then someone got the bright idea to build a western style nation in Somali in 1993, under Clinton's watch, and it was Clinton who recommitted troops to UNOSOM 2, not GB 1.

Yes, Clinton inherited troops in Somali but those troops completed the mission they were deployed on and most were home in 2003 when he inherited them. All Clinton had to do was bring the rest home.

But he didn’t do that. He committed to stay in Somali in an attempt to rebuild that country in a democratic fashion. But he didn’t have the intestinal fortitude to get the job done.

He who allowed the United States Military to get ran roughshod over by a bunch of tribal warlords and it was he who, after getting ran roughshod over, ran like a scalded dog.

You can't blame that one on Bush 1. Had he been re-elected, we would have never stayed in Somali nation building and Blackhawk Down would have never been a movie.

And we certainly wouldn’t have been run roughshod over by a bunch of hoodlums.

"And we certainly wouldn’t have been run roughshod over by a bunch of hoodlums...."

hmmm. does the name Osama bin Laden mean anything to you Aaron?

(The hoodlum holed up in a cave over in Afghanistan thumbing his nose at the biggest super-power in the history of the world.)

First, I'll note that you didn't attempt to counter the fact that Clinton was responsible for what happened in Somali so I'll take that as your admission that I'm right and you were wrong. Thank you.

Second, there's a huge difference between getting sucker punched from behind by a coward that runs and hides and having tribal warlords defeat the strongest military in the world because the C-I-C is too scared to give the order to attack and after getting hit in the mouth, instead of hitting back, turns tail and runs.

It's also ironic that you would bring up OBL in a conversation involving a President who lacked the gumption to do what he needed to do to protect Americans considering that Bill Clinton let him go. Twice.

The peope involved in the twin towers attack on Clinton's watch are either dead or in jail.

Not holed up in a cave making threats and making a mockery of the CIC.

Like the guys who attacked on Pres. Bush's watch.

sodbuster wrote:The peope involved in the twin towers attack on Clinton's watch are either dead or in jail.

Not holed up in a cave making threats and making a mockery of the CIC.

Like the guys who attacked on Pres. Bush's watch.

What about OBL? Or are you saying he wasn't in charge of Al Qaeda in 1993?

Wait till Obama gets sworn in and see how much bin Laden struts around making threats.

After 8 years of Bush/Rumfeld bin Laden is in for a rude awakening.

Aaron wrote:

sodbuster wrote:The peope involved in the twin towers attack on Clinton's watch are either dead or in jail.

Not holed up in a cave making threats and making a mockery of the CIC.

Like the guys who attacked on Pres. Bush's watch.

What about OBL? Or are you saying he wasn't in charge of Al Qaeda in 1993?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing

"The 1993 World Trade Center bombing occurred on February 26, 1993, when a car bomb was detonated below Tower One of the World Trade Center in New York City. The 1,500 lb (680 kg) urea nitrate-hydrogen gas enhanced device[1] was intended to knock the North Tower (Tower One) into the South Tower (Tower Two), bringing both towers down and killing thousands of people.[2][3] It failed to do so, but did kill six people and injured 1,042.

The attack was planned by a group of conspirators including Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj. They received financing from Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, Yousef's uncle. In March 1994, four men were convicted of carrying out the bombing: Abouhalima, Ajaj, Ayyad and Salameh. The charges included conspiracy, explosive destruction of property and interstate transportation of explosives. And in November 1997, two more were convicted: Yousef, the mastermind behind the bombings, and Eyad Ismoil, who drove the truck carrying the bomb."

But he didn’t do that. He committed to stay in Somali in an attempt to rebuild that country in a democratic fashion.

Whoever's damn fool idea that was- if indeed that was the way it was- didn't understand about democracy. Democracy comes from WITHIN the hearts and minds of the populace of a nation. When has "democracy" ever been successfully imposed by one peoples on others?

sodbuster wrote:The peope involved in the twin towers attack on Clinton's watch are either dead or in jail.

What about the ones responsible?

Aaron wrote:

sodbuster wrote:The peope involved in the twin towers attack on Clinton's watch are either dead or in jail.

Not holed up in a cave making threats and making a mockery of the CIC.

Like the guys who attacked on Pres. Bush's watch.

What about OBL? Or are you saying he wasn't in charge of Al Qaeda in 1993?

Obviously you haven't read your dailykos or your huffingtonpost. OBL was, in fact, a well-liked CPA and a family man living a secular lifestyle in Kabul when the 2000 Florida recounts and Bush's "Mexico City Policy" drove him mad.

I mean, duh.

sodbuster wrote:Wait till Obama gets sworn in and see how much bin Laden struts around making threats.

After 8 years of Bush/Rumfeld bin Laden is in for a rude awakening.

What are you saying Sherm, .......

that Obama is going to invade Pakistan?

That must be why Obama and the Democrats want to bail-out the Big 3 auto makers.

So they will be around and ready to build tanks, planes an humvees for the big Obamavasion of Pakistan.




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ziggy wrote: Democracy comes from WITHIN the hearts and minds of the populace of a nation. When has "democracy" ever been successfully imposed by one peoples on others?

Hawaii, …… Japan, …….


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sodbuster wrote:

Aaron wrote:

sodbuster wrote:The peope involved in the twin towers attack on Clinton's watch are either dead or in jail.

Not holed up in a cave making threats and making a mockery of the CIC.

Like the guys who attacked on Pres. Bush's watch.

What about OBL? Or are you saying he wasn't in charge of Al Qaeda in 1993?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing

"The 1993 World Trade Center bombing occurred on February 26, 1993, when a car bomb was detonated below Tower One of the World Trade Center in New York City. The 1,500 lb (680 kg) urea nitrate-hydrogen gas enhanced device[1] was intended to knock the North Tower (Tower One) into the South Tower (Tower Two), bringing both towers down and killing thousands of people.[2][3] It failed to do so, but did kill six people and injured 1,042.

The attack was planned by a group of conspirators including Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj. They received financing from Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, Yousef's uncle. In March 1994, four men were convicted of carrying out the bombing: Abouhalima, Ajaj, Ayyad and Salameh. The charges included conspiracy, explosive destruction of property and interstate transportation of explosives. And in November 1997, two more were convicted: Yousef, the mastermind behind the bombings, and Eyad Ismoil, who drove the truck carrying the bomb."

So it is your contention that OBL had nothing to do with the first WTC bombings Sherman?

Ramzi Ahmed Yousef or Ramzi Mohammed Yousef (also transliterated as Ramzi Yusuf, Ramzi Youssef) (Arabic: رمزي يوسف‎), birth name possibly Abdul Basit Mahmoud Abdul Karim (Arabic: عبد الباسط كريم‎) and also known by dozens of aliases,[1][2] was born in Kuwait and is of Pakistani descent who was one of the planners of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. He was arrested at an Al-Qaeda safe house in Islamabad, Pakistan in 1995 by Bureau of Diplomatic Security special agents[4] and was extradited to the United States.

post Hitler Germany

Aaron,

Give it up. Sherm has his head so far up the DNC's collective arse he can't see the light of day. He will never admit Bill Clinton's failings. I'm quite sure Sherm still wonders what the definition of the word "is" is.