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Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:28 pm

DRUDGEREPORT:

LIMBAUGH: I WANT OBAMA TO FAIL IF POLICIES ARE SOCIALIST...

Me too.
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Post by SamCogar Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:52 pm

How can he fail .......... on radical Muslim trouble solving in the Mid East?

Him appoint Hillary as Sec of State ....... and just now appointed two male longtime experts to do her job for her.

Both have great bunches of experience and proven 'track records" for solving those problems.

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Post by TerryRC Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:14 am

Well, Bush put us on the track for a fair amount of corporate socialism. I didn't see Rush of Drudge foaming at the mouth for Bush to fail.

Is it only socialism if poor people get our tax money?

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Post by SheikBen Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:16 pm

I saw that, TerryRC (or I should say, heard it). Bailing out failing corporations was widely condemned by Limbaugh. He said that some companies simply have to fail and government needs to let that happen.

The one thing I will agree with National Pravda Radio is that a corporation too big to fail is too big in the first place. Nevertheless, fail it must. Uncle Sam does not bail me out when I overspend on vacations--when a corporation is not viable, it should only be propped up if it is both necessary and will be viable, and I don't think AIG fit that criteria.

So I think your charges of hypocrisy vis a vis socialism are born out of a lack of familiarity with Rush's content, rather than an accurate assessment of him. I don't buy a lot of what he says (I don't see how the excesses of wealth help me personally, for example), but he has criticized government intrusion into the markets and the business world, including subsidies and bailouts, from the time they began under Bush.

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Post by Keli Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:11 pm

NRO reports:

Rush: Your publication and website have documented Obama's ties to the teachings of Saul Alinksy while he was community organizing in Chicago. Here is Rule 13 of Alinksy's Rules for Radicals:"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."
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Post by ziggy Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:58 am

Your publication and website have documented Obama's ties to the teachings of Saul Alinksy while he was community organizing in Chicago.

Damn. If I had known that, I would have voted for Obama. I once knew this really cool guy by the name of K. Sherman who was a student of Saul Alinsky.
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Post by Aaron Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:58 am

The documentary, The Democratic Promise: Saul Alinsky and His Legacy,[6] claims that "Alinsky championed new ways to organize the poor and powerless that created a backyard revolution in cities across America." Many important community and labor organizers came from the "Alinsky School," including Ed Chambers and Tom Gaudette. Alinsky formed the Industrial Areas Foundation in 1940. Chambers became its Executive Director after Alinsky died. Since its formation, hundreds of professional community and labor organizers and thousands of community and labor leaders have attended its workshops. Fred Ross, who worked for Alinsky, was the principal mentor for Cesar Chavez and Dolores Huerta.[7][8] In Hillary Clinton's senior honors thesis at Wellesley College Clinton noted that Alinsky's personal efforts were a large part of his method.[9] She later noted that although she agreed with his notion of self-empowernment she disagreed with his assessment that the system could only change from the outside.[9]

Alinsky's teachings influenced Barack Obama in his early career as a community organizer on the far South Side of Chicago.[8][9] Working for Gerald Kellman's Developing Communities Project, Obama learned and taught Alinsky's methods for community organizing.[8] Several prominent national leaders have been influenced by Alinsky's teachings,[8] including Ed Chambers,[6]Tom Gaudette, Michael Gecan, Wade Rathke,[10][11], Patrick Crowley [12], and Barack Obama [13].

Alinsky is often credited with laying the foundation for the grassroots political organizing that dominated the 1960s.[6] Later in his life he encouraged stockholders in public corporations to lend their votes to "proxies", who would vote at annual stockholders meetings in favor of social justice. While his grassroots style took hold in American activism, his call to stockholders to share their power with disenfranchised working poor only began to take hold in U.S. progressive (social liberalism) circles in the 1990s, when shareholder actions were organized against American corporations.

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Post by ohio county Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:34 am

From the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, picture of the expansion of the money supply:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/AMBNS?cid=124

Sorry, I was unable to reproduce it here.
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Post by Aaron Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:42 am

Congress has given Obama permission to spend the second $350 billion of the Wall Street bailout package. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said she is open to additional government rescue money for banks and financial institutions. But she said taxpayers must get an ownership stake in return.

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I'm not sure if it's socialist or communist if the government gets a stake in private corporations.
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Post by sodbuster Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:29 am

Well since the corporations own a big stake of the gvt. then turnabout is fair play, right? Very Happy

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Post by Aaron Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:32 am

Nope.

Neutral

Seriously Sod, do we want to live in a society in which our government owns our banks? What's next, manufacturing? Should they get a part of GM and Chrysler for the loans they provided them?
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