Why Dems don't mind raising taxes...
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SamCogar
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Why Dems don't mind raising taxes...
they don't pay them. Until they are forced to--and then they get permission from fellow Democrats to pay them. Republicans go to jail.
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I don't know - I'd like to get Orrin Hatch and Lindsay Graham to represent me in a tax-evasion case.
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12:55 Daschle out!
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I'll bet Daschle is red hot about paying his taxes and then taking a hike!
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Damned if that wasn't a costly mistake.
SamCogar- Number of posts : 6238
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Daschle wasn't the only tax cheat to resign today. What is it with taxes and democrats?
Obama appointee Killefer withdraws over unpaid taxes
By Margaret Talev | McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON — The White House press office confirmed that Nancy Killefer, who was to be chief performance officer, a newly created federal post, has withdrawn her candidacy because of tax problems.
She becomes the third Obama pick for a high visibility post to have tax problems revealed. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was confirmed anyhow; HHS pick and former Sen. Tom Daschle appears to have enough support to be confirmed despite his.
source
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http://townhall.com/Columnists/RudyGersten/2009/02/03/daschles_hypocrisy
...a cabinet secretary “ought to set the example, ought to be able to enforce all of the laws." Tom Daschle
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Armon Ayers wrote:they don't pay them. Until they are forced to--and then they get permission from fellow Democrats to pay them. Republicans go to jail.
Well Armon, I dont know for sure but I figure Daschle paid a lot more than you or I paid.
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sodbuster wrote:Armon Ayers wrote:they don't pay them. Until they are forced to--and then they get permission from fellow Democrats to pay them. Republicans go to jail.
Well Armon, I dont know for sure but I figure Daschle paid a lot more than you or I paid.
Percentage wise of income, I imagine I paid more. I am self-employed as a minister of the Gospel.
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Another nominee runs into confirmation problems:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/01/13/ST2009011302496.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/01/13/ST2009011302496.html
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"The opposition party's interest is often not so much eliciting the truth as making trouble -- or, at least, creating a record with which trouble can be made."
(Isnt that just a fancy way of saying they are just being obstructionists?)
(Isnt that just a fancy way of saying they are just being obstructionists?)
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The bottom line is Sodbuster; Tom Daschle wasn't qualified for the postion in which he was nominated. He was a defeated Senator who took millions from the very lobby he was going to be given the task of regulating and he was a tax cheat who got caught (he knew about this months ago) and then instead of owning up when he was caught, he waited until he became a nominee in a an administration that had just completed a two year campaign with a central theme of change.
Just because this guy has a "D" behind his name doesn't mean he walks on water. Even Barrack Obama admitted nominating him was a mistake. Why can't you?
Just because this guy has a "D" behind his name doesn't mean he walks on water. Even Barrack Obama admitted nominating him was a mistake. Why can't you?
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Well Aaron I was responding to OC's post.
Please note the quote from his referenced source...
Please note the quote from his referenced source...
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Double-standard
Senator Ted Stevens (REPUBLICAN) was charged, tried and found guilty of having his house repaired--while Congressman Charles Rangell (DEMOCRAT) has skated for not paying taxes on rental properties he owns.
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"The opposition party's interest is often not so much eliciting the truth as making trouble -- or, at least, creating a record with which trouble can be made."
(Isnt that just a fancy way of saying they are just being obstructionists?)
No, that is a pretty pedestrian way of saying that the proper role of the opposition party is to make trouble for the nominees. If the nominee doesn't answer even the most harmless questions, however, she makes her own trouble. Or do you consider it bipartisan to confirm democrats as an article of faith?
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And if ever a quote was taken out of context that was it Sodbuster.
Did you even read the article, which was about confirmation hearings and used the current nomination for the Secretary of Labor and her refusal to elaborate on labor issues as an example to the nomination and confirmation process? Perhaps you should have posted a little more of the article and not focused on one sentence.
So the questions is, given that Congress will be working intimately with the Presidents cabinet, do they then have a legitimate right to ask tough questions and expect honest, detailed answers?
From the tone of your post, your answer appears to be no.
Did you even read the article, which was about confirmation hearings and used the current nomination for the Secretary of Labor and her refusal to elaborate on labor issues as an example to the nomination and confirmation process? Perhaps you should have posted a little more of the article and not focused on one sentence.
This is a familiar drill. The nominee's goal is to ruffle as few feathers as possible. The opposition party's interest is often not so much eliciting the truth as making trouble -- or, at least, creating a record with which trouble can be made.
Some amount of evasive maneuvering at these sessions is unavoidable. Confirmation hearings aren't let-it-all-hang-out moments. There are policy positions on which a new administration in particular may be genuinely undecided. Fair enough.
But Solis was not a judicial nominee inappropriately pressed to discuss a case that might come before her. How can senators consent if they have no clue what policies they might be consenting to? Perhaps her hearing was an anomaly; the latest blizzard of hearings -- for Hillary Clinton as secretary of state, Arne Duncan as education secretary, Steven Chu as energy secretary -- seemed more illuminating.
Still, it's important to point out: Democrats had little tolerance for nonanswers when Republican nominees were doing the bobbing and weaving. It is an imperfect comparison, but recall their consternation -- and ensuing "no" votes -- when Michael Mukasey, in his confirmation hearing to be attorney general, said he did not have enough information about the precise technique involved to say that waterboarding was torture.
Presidents are entitled to significant deference in choosing executive branch officials. Mere policy disagreements are insufficient grounds for rejection. But the flip side of that permissive standard is that the Senate deserves a modicum of frankness.
In fact, that might even be in the interest of the new administration. After all, unlike a judicial nomination, a Cabinet secretary's hearing is not a one-time deal but the start of a relationship. The Solis method may not be the best way to begin a beautiful friendship with your committee of jurisdiction -- or to launch a new era of bipartisanship.
A wise senator once put it this way: "While the initiative for selection originates with the president, we have [a] solemn responsibility to get a sense of the person the president has selected." Too often, he said, "We have made a grave error in failing to press nominees on their policy positions only to find out later that their positions are anathema once they are in office."
That was Vice President-elect Joe Biden, at the 1981 confirmation hearing for Ronald Reagan's attorney general William French Smith. The new administration might benefit from taking a good look at that dusty old transcript -- and taking Biden's words to heart.
So the questions is, given that Congress will be working intimately with the Presidents cabinet, do they then have a legitimate right to ask tough questions and expect honest, detailed answers?
From the tone of your post, your answer appears to be no.
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But Solis was not a judicial nominee inappropriately pressed to discuss a case that might come before her. How can senators consent if they have no clue what policies they might be consenting to?
Labor policy (law) is made by Congress, and by state legislatures. So what does it matter what the Secretary of Labor, who is presumably sworn to uphold the law, thinks about these questions?
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Law may well be written by Congress but make no mistake about it, policy is set by and enforced by the Department of Labor, which takes its lead from it's Presidential appointed Secretary.
And considering it’s a cabinet position that requires Senate approval, yes the Senate has a right to ask tough questions and the nominee has an obligation to be honest. Period.
And considering it’s a cabinet position that requires Senate approval, yes the Senate has a right to ask tough questions and the nominee has an obligation to be honest. Period.
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The Labor Secretary's job is to implement the laws- regardless of his or her biases. The questions cited here are not about how well the candidate would or would not implement the laws. They are about finding new political cannon fodder.
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Then why have a cabinet position that is answerable to Congress?
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Elaine Chao instituted a reporting program which required unions to make their income and expenditures public. It isn't nearly as detailed as Sarbanes-Oxley but it is a pretty good start. I'd be interested to hear how quickly Hilda Solis plans to roll over and discontinue that program. It is not a legal requirement.
Also, I'd like to know if she plans to continue lobbying for card check legislation.
Also, I'd like to know if she plans to continue lobbying for card check legislation.
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"Did you even read the article, which was about confirmation hearings and used the current nomination for the Secretary of Labor and her refusal to elaborate on labor issues as an example to the nomination and confirmation process?"
Yes I read it.
I had assumed you did not, since you were chastising me over the Daschle nomination and that was not even what OC's reference was about.
Yes I read it.
I had assumed you did not, since you were chastising me over the Daschle nomination and that was not even what OC's reference was about.
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Initially no, I did not read the article. I assumed it referred to Daschle or Nancy Killefer. I didn't know the list was now up to 4 on troubled nominees and counting.
But none of that changes the fact that your one sentence post was way out of context and unnecessarily partisan, does it Sodbuster!!!
But none of that changes the fact that your one sentence post was way out of context and unnecessarily partisan, does it Sodbuster!!!
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Aaron wrote:Then why have a cabinet position that is answerable to Congress?
I would presume that it is so Congress can make some determination as to the fitness of the nominee to implement the labor laws.
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I hate to be the one to tell you but you're presuming wrong Ziggy.
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