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ziggy wrote:Seems to me I recall someone or other here only a few months ago telling us that people should not talk about the falling economy because that would cause other people to lose faith in the economy, and then it really would fall- or similar words.

So I guess maybe not enough people kept their mouths shut about how things were headed south, and so things actually went south.

Well congrads Zigster, ....... you got it right for a change.

Obama’s Fearmongering Has Damaged The Economy

– During Obama’s Feb. 18 address on the mortgage crisis, he said that we were in a crisis 24 times, Frequently describing in apocalyptic terms that the crisis would drag down the entire economy.

–During Obama’s first and only national press conference he talked about us being in a crisis 12 times and noted that it was an “unprecedented crisis” — something sure to instill confidence.

– In his first radio address to the nation on Jan. 24, Obama claimed, “We begin this year and this Administration in the midst of an unprecedented crisis that calls for unprecedented action.”

– It is even harder to make sense of Lawrence Summers’ recent statement, because of these grossly exaggerated claims he made on stage with Obama in November — saying again “we’ve had an unprecedented crisis.”

– On Nov. 16, Obama said: “We’ve got an unprecedented crisis, or at least something that we have not seen since the Great Depression.”

It isn’t just recent statements. In each of the three presidential debates last September and October, Obama claimed that we were in the “worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.” It was a constant theme of his campaign and he has made it again and again since the election.

In fact, since the election, we have gone from claiming that it is the worst crisis since the Great Depression to very frequently claiming that it is the worst crisis ever.

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/03/16/lott_obama_fearmongering_economy/

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It's official: Recession since Dec. '07
The National Bureau of Economic Research declares what most Americans already knew: the downturn has been going on for some time. See all CNNMoney.com RSS FEEDS (close) By Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com senior writer
Last Updated: December 1, 2008: 5:40 PM ET

The National Bureau of Economic Research, a private organization, has naming rights to recessions?

I'm sorry but Cato's definition is correct: two successive quarters of negative growth.

Can we be honest here, sherman? Your sole reason for "officially" finding that the recession is more than a year old is so that you can pin it on Bush. I don't care. Am I right?

OC I have been hearing for a year we are in a recession.

I know the republicans have been denying it.

I saw that story on CNN and figured you guys would find it credible.

But even if Cato was right it still would have started on yall's watch.

That in itself does not make it your fault.

But you have to admit it will be hard to pin on clinton.

(btw I don't think there is a cut and dried definition for a depression either.
Some say we aew in one. I dont know. But if they blame the big one on FDR you know they will blame this one on Clinton.)

(or maybe even Obama)

Though some will try.

Don't you mean Obama?

Yes that was a good point. I had not even thought of that yet. (I corrected).

Good point? Hell, it was Freudian!

It seems to me this recession coincides much more closely with the Democratic stronghold on the Congress (who actually controls the pursestrings) than either Bush or Obama taking office.

That said, it has become much, much worse since Obama won the election. Now that the Democrats control both the Legislative and Executive branches it's been a totaly free fall.

Congratulations liberals!!!

That said, it has become much, much worse since Obama won the election. Now that the Democrats control both the Legislative and Executive branches it's been a totaly free fall.

I, too, am ashamed that Obama didn't end poverty, fix the economy and bring world peace in the first two years of his presidency.

Wait, what? He has been President for less than 70 days... ? Um...

Obama has so far been somewhat disappointing and I'm not apologizing for him, but aren't we being a little unrealistic as to how fast these kind of changes occur.

The economy has traditionally been quick to go down and slow to come up.

P.S. Having been away for awhile, it is really starting to look like a right-wing circle jerk around here...

TerryRC wrote:The economy has traditionally been quick to go down and slow to come up.

And has never responded to massive spending as a means of eliminating the downturn.

TerryRC wrote:
P.S. Having been away for awhile, it is really starting to look like a right-wing circle jerk around here...

Perhaps it looks that way because those who do post on the left rarely post anything of substance and lack the courage to defend the tripe they do post, you being the exception of course.

Perhaps it looks that way because those who do post on the left rarely post anything of substance and lack the courage to defend the tripe they do post, you being the exception of course.

Thanks. I try, however, to post from the middle. It does probable look all lefty in this crowd.

And has never responded to massive spending as a means of eliminating the downturn.

I quite agree. As I said, I was opposed to the bailout.

Interesting tidbit - I think AIG controls most of the federal pensions. No way the fed was going to let them go under.

I heard that a few days ago.

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sodbuster wrote:Well TRC I had noticed you were gone for awhile.

Two more so-called lefties have apparently voted with their feet and gone elsewhere.

Hacker and bmd.

Yes, I would agree with your description.

Rightwing circle jerk.

I am sure it is even more evident if you are gone for a couple weeks and return.

I was gone for almost a week and what I see is liberals who refuse to defend their position.

It seems a little silly to me to blame conservatives for your lack of intestinal fortitude. Personally, the day I can’t defend my opinion is the day I stop offering it.

Hacker came strictly to tell us the government needed to send him the pension his private employer promised to him. Mind you, the guy is certainly young enough to work and support himself.

BMD left because Keli posted an image of Obama as a turd. I found that to be in poor taste too, however, no worse than BMD sporting a signature tag comparing Jesus Christ to a chimpanzee for months.

What do you expect, Sherm? There may be a Christian or two in this forum who would have liked me to censor bm for his bad behavior, but I did not. He liked to dish it out just fine but couldn't take it. Seems to be a common problem among liberals.

Steph I did not bring it up.

I only agreed with it....

If it's a circle, stand up and break it. Either that or sit down and be quiet. It's like politics, if you don't vote, you got no right to complain.

And if you're not willing to defend your positon or opinion, you shouldn't state it. I don't see TC running from his so why do you? Because you want to remain civil?

Seems to me that if you want to remain civil then you should stick to discussing sanitation and the weather.

I know I'm being an ass but you stated an opinion and I've specifically called you out on it 3 or 4 times and you refuse to answer. I don't play that. You want to ignore me, that's fine but as you said, I have a tendancy to be 'tenacious' and 'upset' people.' I won't go away until I get an answer.

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sodbuster wrote:Well TRC I had noticed you were gone for awhile.

Two more so-called lefties have apparently voted with their feet and gone elsewhere.

Hacker and bmd.

Yes, I would agree with your description.

Rightwing circle jerk.

I am sure it is even more evident if you are gone for a couple weeks and return.

You brought up bm and hacker leaving, Terry did not.

I find it amusing that you say you want to learn and discuss while setting in a circle singing com by ya while sharing a coke in peace and harmony and loving your brother but the only thing holding you back is the "RIGHT WING WHACKO's you find your surrounded by.



I gave you the perfect opportunity on the card check issue and you refused to "discuss" anything. You’ve ignored the thread in spite of me calling you out 3 times. If that isn’t the opposite of wanting to discuss, I don’t know what is.

All you've do is post the same old partisan talking points and then refuse to defend or discuss any of it in any way shape, or form. And when you're called on it, you complain that the moderators aren’t doing their job and we should all remain ‘civil’ and get along without being attacked even though you’re NEVER personally attacked.

I think you're likely a heck of a nice guy and I'm sure that if the discussion were anything other then politics, we would get along great. And as I really don't want to upset you or post something that you would misconstrue as a personal attack and my personality isn't one that doesn't allow the type of tripe you post to go unchallenged, I think the best thing I can do is move on.

You win.

You have the capacity to be a statesman. I'm as reasonable as can be and the guy drives me crazy.

Well done.

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