Re: Legislative, statewide races filing period soon.

by Aaron Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:32 am

TerryRC wrote:I think I got it right the first time.

Had you said "dixiecrat", you would have been right the first time.

Fine, he's a typical West Virginia politician. That means he's a democrat. That's how it's been for 70+ years and I don't see a change coming anytime soon.

by SamCogar Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:46 am

Stephanie wrote:
Where are all these people who like him? I'm serious. Do any of you like Manchin? My husband and I don't. My father-in-law doesn't. I don't know anybody here that thinks he's doing a good job. Is it the name thing? He's part of a WV political dynasty of sorts, isnt' he?

Well Stephanie, I do not know of anything Manchin has done ....... that an alternative Democrat would not have done bigger and worser.

And I do know of a few things Manchin has done that I approve of ....... that an alternative Democrat would absolutely not have done.

Thus, Manchin's actions are still in the "plus column" with me.

And TRC's bitch about the DEP ....... is really immaterial and insignificant ........ because the DEP ain't gonna "do their job" no matter what frigging Rules and Regulations are added, changed or deleted.

The DEP, along with the PSC, might be the biggest bloated “do nothing” bureaucracies in State Government.

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by TerryRC Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:52 am

"And TRC's bitch about the DEP..."

To clarify, my bitch was about the DEP's then Director.

I know many people in the DEP that take their duties VERY seriously.

Wait, that is unpossible - I forget state employees take nothing seriously except their undeserved paychecks.

by **Stephanie** Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:55 am

OK, Sam, I see your point. I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but I see it. The devil you know and all that.

Aaron, it doesn't bother you that he has done nothing? btw........I think the sales tax has only gone down 1%. Has it gone down yet? I'm not sure and I think the "plan" is to eliminate it but I'll believe that when I see it.

Manchin & Co. showed no spine over the gambling issue. I hate that too. Grow a set and do your job or ship out.

by Aaron Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:03 am

Stephanie wrote:OK, Sam, I see your point. I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but I see it. The devil you know and all that.

Aaron, it doesn't bother you that he has done nothing? btw........I think the sales tax has only gone down 1%. Has it gone down yet? I'm not sure and I think the "plan" is to eliminate it but I'll believe that when I see it.

Manchin & Co. showed no spine over the gambling issue. I hate that too. Grow a set and do your job or ship out.

This is WV Steph. What gets done and how it gets done don't make the news.

The sales tax has went down 2 cents on food so that's a 33% reduction in taxes.

As it is, I'd just as soon keep paying 6 censt and apply that money to our unfunded liabilities and if we ever get out of the hole, then start reducing property taxes and keep the sales tax, which I think is a little more fair. At least that's what I'd like to see.

You say he had no spine on the gambling issue and while that may be true, at least he got it out to the counties to vote on. That's more then anyone else has done and this has been an issue for a number of years.

by **Stephanie** Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:11 am

Aaron wrote:
Stephanie wrote:OK, Sam, I see your point. I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but I see it. The devil you know and all that.

Aaron, it doesn't bother you that he has done nothing? btw........I think the sales tax has only gone down 1%. Has it gone down yet? I'm not sure and I think the "plan" is to eliminate it but I'll believe that when I see it.

Manchin & Co. showed no spine over the gambling issue. I hate that too. Grow a set and do your job or ship out.

This is WV Steph. What gets done and how it gets done don't make the news.

The sales tax has went down 2 cents on food so that's a 33% reduction in taxes.

As it is, I'd just as soon keep paying 6 censt and apply that money to our unfunded liabilities and if we ever get out of the hole, then start reducing property taxes and keep the sales tax, which I think is a little more fair. At least that's what I'd like to see.

You say he had no spine on the gambling issue and while that may be true, at least he got it out to the counties to vote on. That's more then anyone else has done and this has been an issue for a number of years.

I don't care for property taxes either, Aaron. I just happen to believe that slapping a sales tax on necessities like milk and bread is very harmful to people who struggle to make ends meet. I have been there and I'd be surprised if at some point in your life you haven't too.

I believe the gambling issue should have gone to a state-wide vote. If it had been handled that way I wouldn't have a problem with it. You just can't tell me that those casinos are only going to impact the counties that house them. You live closer to Tri State than most residents of Kanawha County, yet you had no say. That's just shitty.

by TerryRC Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:28 am

I believe the gambling issue should have gone to a state-wide vote. If it had been handled that way I wouldn't have a problem with it. You just can't tell me that those casinos are only going to impact the counties that house them. You live closer to Tri State than most residents of Kanawha County, yet you had no say. That's just shitty.

In multiple ways.

What if Webster County wants a casino? According to state law, they are now forbidden it, even though other counties are not.

by SamCogar Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:37 am

TerryRC wrote:"And TRC's bitch about the DEP..."

To clarify, my bitch was about the DEP's then Director.

I know many people in the DEP that take their duties VERY seriously.

Wait, that is unpossible - I forget state employees take nothing seriously except their undeserved paychecks.

You keep clarifying it Terry, ..... and one of these days you just might get it right.

by TerryRC Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:41 am

You keep clarifying it Terry, ..... and one of these days you just might get it right.

You keep distorting, Sam, and I'll keep clarifying. My bitch was about one person, not a whole agency.

It is there for all to read.

Remember that whole "facts" thing?

by SamCogar Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:56 am

Stephanie wrote:
I believe the gambling issue should have gone to a state-wide vote. If it had been handled that way I wouldn't have a problem with it. You just can't tell me that those casinos are only going to impact the counties that house them. You live closer to Tri State than most residents of Kanawha County, yet you had no say. That's just shitty.

Now Steph, me thinks you wouldn't have a problem if the "voting" had failed to "pass".

I feel that if they are going to un-Constitutionally LIMIT or choose which Counties are permitted to have Casinos, ....... then those Counties only should be permitted to vote on anything involving said Casinos.

Steph, two such "wrongs" does not make anything right.

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by SamCogar Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:10 pm

TerryRC wrote:
You keep clarifying it Terry, ..... and one of these days you just might get it right.

You keep distorting, Sam, and I'll keep clarifying. My bitch was about one person, not a whole agency.

It is there for all to read.

Remember that whole "facts" thing?

The whole "facts" thing is ..... the DEP does very little to actually Protect the Environment.

Just to cite one example: Their non-actions on "spraying of right-of-ways" by the State DOT and the Railroads.

by Aaron Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:23 pm

Stephanie wrote:I don't care for property taxes either, Aaron. I just happen to believe that slapping a sales tax on necessities like milk and bread is very harmful to people who struggle to make ends meet. I have been there and I'd be surprised if at some point in your life you haven't too.

Yes I have. But the thing is, this tax doesn't effect those on the very bottom of the ladder as food stamps don't have to pay the tax. I realize there are those that don't qualify that still struggle but it's the same with property tax on a car or home. I just think it's the fairest way to tax.

Stephanie wrote:I believe the gambling issue should have gone to a state-wide vote. If it had been handled that way I wouldn't have a problem with it. You just can't tell me that those casinos are only going to impact the counties that house them. You live closer to Tri State than most residents of Kanawha County, yet you had no say. That's just shitty.

I agree 100%. I also know why it didn't go to a state wide vote. It would have been defeated and Manchin and those in the legislature that wants that money couldn't have that, now could they.

For the record, the way I see it, if we're going to be in for a penny, we might as well be in for a pound. I would have voted for it. But that's just my 2cents worth.

by **Stephanie** Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:39 pm

Aaron wrote:
Stephanie wrote:I don't care for property taxes either, Aaron. I just happen to believe that slapping a sales tax on necessities like milk and bread is very harmful to people who struggle to make ends meet. I have been there and I'd be surprised if at some point in your life you haven't too.

Yes I have. But the thing is, this tax doesn't effect those on the very bottom of the ladder as food stamps don't have to pay the tax. I realize there are those that don't qualify that still struggle but it's the same with property tax on a car or home. I just think it's the fairest way to tax.

Stephanie wrote:I believe the gambling issue should have gone to a state-wide vote. If it had been handled that way I wouldn't have a problem with it. You just can't tell me that those casinos are only going to impact the counties that house them. You live closer to Tri State than most residents of Kanawha County, yet you had no say. That's just shitty.

I agree 100%. I also know why it didn't go to a state wide vote. It would have been defeated and Manchin and those in the legislature that wants that money couldn't have that, now could they.

For the record, the way I see it, if we're going to be in for a penny, we might as well be in for a pound. I would have voted for it. But that's just my 2cents worth.

Aaron,

I'm not talking about food stamp recipients, necessarily. btw.......Have food stamp allocations kept pace with inflation anyway? Really, if you rely on food stamps do they increase your allotment every time there's an increase in the cost of milk? Have you checked out the price of a gallon of milk lately? Also, what is fair about taxing people who are barely paying the rent for food? Tax their Wii's and their IPods but not their apples and ground beef.

The fact that Manchin and the legislature knew the people of WV didn't want casino gambling and didn't have a state wide referendum is just one reason I know he's scum. It's deceitful. The more I think about it the more I dislike that creep.

by SamCogar Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:44 am

Stephanie wrote: The fact that Manchin and the legislature knew the people of WV didn't want casino gambling and didn't have a state wide referendum is just one reason I know he's scum. It's deceitful. The more I think about it the more I dislike that creep.

Yes Steph, and the majority of those people are the same ones that only want "church approved thingys" and those who "don't want anything".

Now I remember back before "whiskey-by-the-drink" was legal. The State Stores were the only place to legally buy "spirits" and beer was max 3.2% alcohol.

And do you know who the biggest bunch of don't-wanters of "whiskey-by-the-drink" were?

lol!

The bootleggers.

They were individual PACs that funded the Church's political ads whenever a state wide referendum was "on the ballot".

Of course, all the "closet drunks" were against it also. They feared it would "out" them if they had to buy it legally.

Anyway, what is your opinion on this Manchin story?

BRAVO for Gov. Manchin, who plans to ask the National Governors Association to reform the disgusting system in which millionaire football coaches, aided by professional agents, milk state-owned universities, taking far more money than university presidents and professors.

Manchin's ire is high because of the shameful departure of coach Rich Rodriguez, who abandoned his West Virginia University team to take a $2.5 million post at the University of Michigan.

"There is some very, very high-priced bidding, with all the scruples taken out of the process," the governor told Sports Editor Mitch Vingle. "That's happening because of agents, who are gaining on the side." He called the agents "hired guns."

Manchin pointed out that many restrictions are imposed on unpaid athletes who risk their bodies for school glory. If a player switches to a different university, he must wait a year before playing again. If he takes hidden compensation, he's banned.

"Shouldn't the person who is teaching values also have to live up to values?" the chief executive said. "I'm going to see if enough governors can collectively ask the NCAA if this is truly the collegiate atmosphere we're trying to promote. If it's not, let's take a hard look, because something is wrong."

Splendid. We hope governors across America join Manchin in trying to …………..

http://www.wvgazette.com/Opinion/Editorials/200801250745

Now if Manchin was as vocal about the other Teachers in WV ........... living up to values they are teaching.

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by Aaron Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:29 pm

Stephanie wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Stephanie wrote:I don't care for property taxes either, Aaron. I just happen to believe that slapping a sales tax on necessities like milk and bread is very harmful to people who struggle to make ends meet. I have been there and I'd be surprised if at some point in your life you haven't too.

Yes I have. But the thing is, this tax doesn't effect those on the very bottom of the ladder as food stamps don't have to pay the tax. I realize there are those that don't qualify that still struggle but it's the same with property tax on a car or home. I just think it's the fairest way to tax.

Stephanie wrote:I believe the gambling issue should have gone to a state-wide vote. If it had been handled that way I wouldn't have a problem with it. You just can't tell me that those casinos are only going to impact the counties that house them. You live closer to Tri State than most residents of Kanawha County, yet you had no say. That's just shitty.

I agree 100%. I also know why it didn't go to a state wide vote. It would have been defeated and Manchin and those in the legislature that wants that money couldn't have that, now could they.

For the record, the way I see it, if we're going to be in for a penny, we might as well be in for a pound. I would have voted for it. But that's just my 2cents worth.

I take it then you'll be one of the 15 to 20% that doesn't vote for our Governor.

Aaron,

I'm not talking about food stamp recipients, necessarily. btw.......Have food stamp allocations kept pace with inflation anyway? Really, if you rely on food stamps do they increase your allotment every time there's an increase in the cost of milk? Have you checked out the price of a gallon of milk lately? Also, what is fair about taxing people who are barely paying the rent for food? Tax their Wii's and their IPods but not their apples and ground beef.

The fact that Manchin and the legislature knew the people of WV didn't want casino gambling and didn't have a state wide referendum is just one reason I know he's scum. It's deceitful. The more I think about it the more I dislike that creep.

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