Not C-SPAN

It's not even a conference committee:

Those involved in the talks sought to keep details of their
progress under wraps. The negotiations delved into the Senate’s controversial
tax on expensive insurance plans, which unions and House members strongly
oppose, and, for a while Wednesday, labor leaders huddled privately with top
administration aides.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31480.html#ixzz0cZYmo8aa

And while not all the conferees were elected (in the usual sense) the net effect is the same as long as they tell you what they agreed upon afterward, isn't it?

They are up to something, obviously, or else this would be in the open. A return to the public option? Crippling tax increases? Dropping any restrictions on abortion funding? I wonder how much they can put into this, knowing that members of Congress will be asked for their votes without having read the whole bill. Theoretically they are "reconciling" the bills, but I am not aware of any binding law that states that they cannot use this conference time to effectively take the worst from each house's plan to make a mega-disaster.

I just wrote my unpteenth letter to our two illustrious senators Rockefeller and Byrd. I pointed out the hypocracy of the Obama Administrations claim to be the most tranparent administration yet. I then told them that they must support Obama's lack of transparentcy since I have yet to hear them call for open hearings. I believe the only way to stop the afterbirth of a bill is to continue to remind these bozos that their lagacy and job is at stake. Maybe they'll get the picture. If they don't then we have an obligation to remove them, either at the polls. or by whatever means becoems available.

Cato

Cato, they don't care. How can they be worried about their "legacy"? Why should they? Ted Kennedy, the perjuring, womanizing booze-hound responsible for the death of a young woman is hailed as a hero.

They know best, now you just need to learn your place and be thankful we have these wonderful people doing all this great work fo you.

I just read that the unions are going to be exempt from the insurance tax...

Stephanie wrote:Cato, they don't care. How can they be worried about their "legacy"? Why should they? Ted Kennedy, the perjuring, womanizing booze-hound responsible for the death of a young woman is hailed as a hero.

They know best, now you just need to learn your place and be thankful we have these wonderful people doing all this great work fo you.

I know what you are saying, and it really seems that way. The fact is however, we allow it. It is like Byrd. He bought his way through West Virginia. He bought his office. He bought his legacy. It is obvious to see. The rub is people don't want to see it. Instead they want to see a man who is helping them, when in reality, he is borrowing them into debt they can never hope to repay. Kennedy is the same, as is Reockefeller, and the entire gaggle of baffoons in DC and in Charleston. It isn't going to stop either, until people grow up and start acting like mature adults.

Cato wrote:................................................ I believe the only way to stop the afterbirth of a bill is to continue to remind these bozos that their lagacy and job is at stake. Maybe they'll get the picture. If they don't then we have an obligation to remove them, either at the polls. or by whatever means becoems available.

Cato

If not at the polls, then what are those other means that might become available?

ziggy wrote:

Cato wrote:................................................ I believe the only way to stop the afterbirth of a bill is to continue to remind these bozos that their lagacy and job is at stake. Maybe they'll get the picture. If they don't then we have an obligation to remove them, either at the polls. or by whatever means becoems available.

Cato

If not at the polls, then what are those other means that might become available?

If not at the polls, using the legislature, if not the legislature, then replacing the legislature, if that doesn't get the job done, then civil disobedience, and ultimately if necessary forcefully.

Speaking solely for myself, I was born free, and I will live free. Enough of this is enough.

I'm curious Cato, if you can't change the legislature, how do you propose changing it?

Aaron wrote:I'm curious Cato, if you can't change the legislature, how do you propose changing it?

Do you want me to come out and say I would support he use of force if necessary? Yes, I would support the use of force as a last resort. I pray it never comes to that, but

I'm curious also Aaron. Are you willing to live in a nation takes from the productive and gives to those who choose to be unproductive? Are you willing to have your individual liberties taken because society deems it's has the right to supercede your individual liberty? Are you willing to allow a a government flunkie to determine whether or not you can obtain healthcare for a loved one? Are you willing to allow one's worth to society determine whether or not they are worth spending heathcare dollars on?

What I really want to know is where do you draw the line? Where do you say enough is a enough? When enough becomes enough what are you willing to do about it?

To put down rebellion is a constitutional responsibility of this government. If it gets to the point that I feel like I can no longer prompt change via the election box and I can't live with the direction the country is going, I'll find another conutry but as I swore an oath against all enemies, both foreign and domestic, I will not raise a hand againt the United States of America.

If it ever comes to that point, then I'll move, first to a state willing to fight back and if that doesn't work and there is no hope, then I'll find another country.

Belize!

The voters of MA have just, if only a little, renewed my hope that all is not lost.

Aaron wrote:To put down rebellion is a constitutional responsibility of this government. If it gets to the point that I feel like I can no longer prompt change via the election box and I can't live with the direction the country is going, I'll find another conutry but as I swore an oath against all enemies, both foreign and domestic, I will not raise a hand againt the United States of America.

If it ever comes to that point, then I'll move, first to a state willing to fight back and if that doesn't work and there is no hope, then I'll find another country.

The question that begs to be answered is "who is the enemy?"

Congress and the President both swore an oath to defend and protect the US Constitution, yet look at the mess they have made of it. You cannot tell me and keep a straight face in the process, the government we have today is what the founders intended or the more importantly what the US Constitution allows. Niether can you tell me that Congress, for the past 100 years and Presidents past and present have kept the oath they swore.

When those that founded this nation put pen to paper and worte the Declaration of Independance, they made a statement that applies today.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

What we have in DC and in most Statehouses has become destructive to the rights and liberties each of us should hold very dear. Like you I believe our first line is to make change using the ballot box. I pray that works. I also believe that all legal and peaceful options have to be used until its is abundantly clear they will not work. Then the final options are to leave, move to a state that leave the Union, civil disobedience, or to out right rebellion.

I respect your position and I understand it, however I will not leave. I will not be run out of this nation by parsitic individuals, whose only motives in life is to leach off the backs of the productive or by politicians who have the morals of an alley cat.