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Post by Stephanie Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:03 am

Bam man pitching national sales tax

Acknowledging it would be a highly unpopular move, White House economic adviser Paul Volcker said yesterday the United States should consider imposing a "value added tax" similar to those charged in Europe to help get the deficit under control.

A VAT is a national sales tax that, like state and city sales taxes, would be collected by retailers.

Volcker, at the New-York Historical Society, told a panel on the global financial crisis that Congress might also have to consider new taxes on carbon and energy.

"The President has passed historic tax cuts for middle-class families and continues to push for more tax cuts. The President is not proposing to cut the deficit at the expense of middle-class families," said a White House official asked for comment.
The VAT suggestion was immediately met with outrage by Republicans.

"It shouldn't surprise anyone that the Obama White House would advocate a European-style tax to help finance their European-style government health-care plan," said Brian Walsh, a spokesman for the National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee.

"When you hear things like this, though, it's almost as if the Democrats think the American people will forget that we're in this situation because of their reckless spending agenda."

Volcker, a former chairman of the Federal Reserve, told the global economic panel that a VAT is "not as toxic an idea as it has been in the past."

He added, "If, at the end of the day, we need to raise taxes, we should raise taxes."

The tax has long had backing from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who last year said it is "on the table" for dealing with the country's fiscal woes.

Some say the tax can be a good way to raise money because -- depending on how it's imposed -- the burden does not have to fall on the consumer alone.

A VAT can also be imposed down the line on manufacturers, producers and any other business that adds value -- as well as retailers.

Presumably, each could be asked to pay a smaller amount, since the burden would be spread out.

Also, since the government would be collecting at each step of the manufacturing process, if a retailer cheated, the taxman wouldn't be left completely in the cold, because levies would have been collected at earlier steps leading up to the sale.

A major reason the tax is so hated is that it does not eliminate sales taxes, but is charged on top of them.

It's a quick way for governments to raise cash, but the tax could wind up being a burden on the poor, critics say.

The VAT idea has percolated in Washington over the years, but lawmakers have always resisted it.
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Post by Cato Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:54 am

I just pulled the money from our savings account to pay our taxes this year. I owed the People's Republic of West Virginia money. Between the great People's Republic of West Virginia and People's State of the United States we paided nearly $12,000 in taxes. Add into that real estate and personal property taxes, sales tax, FICA, and all the other taxes and fees paid to the politicans for their vote buying schemes and little is left.

I find it both interesting and sickening that my wife and I pay enough in just Federal taxes to send our kid to college for a year and yet the politicans extort money from me to give to people who do nothing but live off the efforts of others.

I just loved one of the Federal programs that did manage to save us some tax money this year. The program is called "Making Work Pay". I guess this is the politicans way of giving me a little incentive to break my back so the moochers can drain my bank accounts.

That being said, Paul Volcker can climb up my behind and fight for air so far as I'm concerned. I've had enough. I'm working as hard as I can to see the present gaggle of puke in Charleston and Washington removed.

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Post by SamCogar Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:39 am

Are you a giver or a receiver, or neither?

WASHINGTON - Tax Day is a dreaded deadline for millions, but for nearly half of U.S. households it's simply somebody else's problem.

About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability. That's according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research organization.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36226444/ns/business-personal_finance/

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Post by Aaron Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:59 am

This should surprise no one as it is how FDR paid for his New Deal with ending prohibition as the perfect example.
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Post by Stephanie Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:27 am

Do you suppose Obama will repeal the prohibition of marijuana and/or any other recreational drug?
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Post by ohio county Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:03 pm

I hope so...
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Post by Aaron Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:40 pm

I can see that happening, especially if he wins in 12.
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Post by ziggy Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:40 pm

ohio county wrote:I hope so...

Me too.
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Post by SamCogar Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:57 am

Aaron wrote:I can see that happening, especially if he wins in 12.

And you have good reason to fear that he just might win in 2012.

If 47 percent of all U.S. households are not paying any federal income taxes at all, …… guess how many households in that group are going to be voting for the Party that has been spending those “tax dollars” on/for their promised benefits?

Yup, that bunch All They Know..........Tax & Spend! 46059 the Party of "Tax n' Spend" and they will vote for them.

It's not their tax money and they don't give a damn as long as they think they are going to get part of it.

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And ps, if you add the Union Members, Socialists, Liberals and the Public Employees to that group then that fear should become frightening.

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Post by SheikBen Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:12 am

The expansion of nuclear power will help offset Obama's disastrous cap and trade proposals, and then Obama will turn to weed to help pay for health care. On the latter I hope he does. I see zero reason to spend money prosecuting marijuana charges when we can be collecting money from idiots in their basements playing dungeons and dragons instead.

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Post by SheikBen Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:13 am

I think we should impose a VAT on meth. It will put the industry under in a matter of weeks!

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Post by TerryRC Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:56 am

A VAT would be fine - as long as it replaces income tax. I don't think both is fair.

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Post by SheikBen Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:40 am

TerryRC,

I completely agree. My fear is that it is going to be both, and indeed one of the left's talking heads on MSNBC noted how similar their plan was to the "fair tax," conveniently leaving out that it was in addition to the income tax, not in place of it.

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