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"Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it."
-Ronald Reagan

'Here's my strategy on the Cold War : We win, they lose.'
- Ronald Reagan

'The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'-Ronald Reagan

'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.' Ronald Reagan

'Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. was too strong.'
Ronald Reagan

'I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress.' -Ronald Reagan

'The taxpayer : That's someone who works for the federal government but doesn't have to take the civil service examination.'- Ronald Reagan

'Government is like a baby : An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.'- Ronald Reagan

'The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program.' Ronald Reagan

'It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession.. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.'- Ronald Reagan

'Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases : If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it' -Ronald Reagan

'Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed, there are many rewards; if you disgrace yourself, you can always write a book.'- Ronald Reagan

'No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is as formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.' Ronald Reagan

'If we ever forget that we're one nation under GOD, then we will be a nation gone under.'-Ronald Reagan


The Best one in my eyes: "Mr. President, How will you negotiate with the Iranians for the release of our hostages?"

Answer:

I don't negotiate with barbarian's.

The NEXT day the American hostages were free.

Reagan also said that 80 percent of all pollution is caused by trees. But the most forested counties of West Virginia, for example, are on record as having the lowest levels of locally generated air pollution.

One liners can make for political drama- as well as a few laughs sometimes. But they do not reflect the real world.

I don't know which of the above statements aren't dead on. Perhaps you can help me by point the incorrect ones out Ziggy.

Aaron wrote:I don't know which of the above statements aren't dead on. Perhaps you can help me by point the incorrect ones out Ziggy.

Here's one that has never be proven: 'If we ever forget that we're one nation under GOD, then we will be a nation gone under.'-Ronald Reagan

ziggy wrote:Here's one that has never be proven: 'If we ever forget that we're one nation under GOD, then we will be a nation gone under.'-Ronald Reagan

Well now Zig, don't give up on it because unless you are terminal you are going to see that happen.

Of course, knowing you, you will be arguing for months about what "gone under" actually consists of.

So why don't you tell us ahead of time what your interpretation of "gone under" means.

ziggy wrote:

Aaron wrote:I don't know which of the above statements aren't dead on. Perhaps you can help me by point the incorrect ones out Ziggy.

Here's one that has never be proven: 'If we ever forget that we're one nation under GOD, then we will be a nation gone under.'-Ronald Reagan

To borrow from a man who said a prayer during the opening of a legislative secession.

"God forgive us for calling murder choice, perversion an alternate lifestyle" This nation is dying because it has ceased to be good. Things that would have made people blush 100 years ago are now accepted as part of daily life. We are fed a daily diet of violence and depravity in the media and it's called entertainment. Many have no respect for life. The right to life is the most basic of all rights and when it is ignored or compromised all other rights go out the window.

Now before you twits decide to jump on me, no law is going to change this. The only thing that will change the direction we are headed is a change of heart. That requires individuals to choose which they want to follow, right, good, and God or the path we are now on, which will ultimately lead to the downfall of this nation.

SamCogar wrote:

ziggy wrote:Here's one that has never be proven: 'If we ever forget that we're one nation under GOD, then we will be a nation gone under.'-Ronald Reagan

Well now Zig, don't give up on it because unless you are terminal you are going to see that happen.

Of course, knowing you, you will be arguing for months about what "gone under" actually consists of.

So why don't you tell us ahead of time what your interpretation of "gone under" means.

"Gone under" is an alleged Reaganism, not a Ziggyism. So let Reagan tell us what it means.

If you don't know what it means then why in the world would you make such a silly statement that "it has never be proven"?

It really is beginning to get on my nerves when people insinuate that only people who believe in their version of god can be moral or have decent values.

SamCogar wrote:If you don't know what it means then why in the world would you make such a silly statement that "it has never be proven"?

Because Reagan started it. Mine is a silly statement about an equally silly statement he is alleged to have made. I refuse to let stand alone anyone's statement about what will or will not happen under either his god or anyone's else's god as that relates to national fortunes or misfortunes. Our gods do not determine our destiny; they only provide excuses and ass cover after whatever will be is.

Well now, iffen you and your wife and kids were all standing under a big umbrella I do not believe the umbrella would determine your all's destiny, but it might determine whether or not you get your arse wet.

And that is basically what Raegan was saying but due to your hatred for Republicans and any type of God you get "blindsighted" far to quickly and to often.

And that is a "correctable" problem, ya know.

Stephanie wrote:It really is beginning to get on my nerves when people insinuate that only people who believe in their version of god can be moral or have decent values.

Nerves or not, morals come from something beyond man. If not then moral value is whatever man says it is, and thus we live in an anything goes world.

No, I disagree. Morals come from thousands upon thousands of years of living and working together to survive. Morals come from our conscience.........they are the result of our having a big brain.

Stephanie wrote:No, I disagree. Morals come from thousands upon thousands of years of living and working together to survive. Morals come from our conscience.........they are the result of our having a big brain.

Then you have no room to be upset at the present gaggle of goons in office. They just operate under a different set of moral value than you. Who are you to condemn their overspending and extorting of your hard earned income?

By the way who are you to stand opposed to abortion, since there can be no absolute right and wrong. While you may think it is wrong other may believe differently. Who are you to judge their point of view. Afterall since as you say man has developed moral values, who is to say who is right and who isn't. Afterall what really constitutes right and wrong. What maybe wrong for you maybe right for someone else.

No, Stephanie moral value come from a supreme being, the creator if you will, or God. Otherwise there is no moral values, only opinions.

No, Cato. What's right or wrong, what's moral and immoral, is instinctual, you feel it in your gut, it's that pesky little conscience telling you, "Hey! This is wrong, I shouldn't do that" or "I shouldn't sit back and say nothing while this goes on". My morals tell me abortion is wrong because abortion is murder, and my conscience tells me taking the life of another human being is WRONG, ALWAYS WRONG. That's not opinion, that is conscience talking.

Who I am to complain about goons in office spending not just my money, but that of my children and grandchildren, is it isn't their money to spend. It's OUR money not THEIR money. Furthermore, they are violating the OATH they SWORE to, the job they were elected to do, protect & defend the Constitution of the United States of America. When they don't do THAT, I have every right to protest at the top of my lungs, along with any citizen of this country who worries about American one day resembling modern day Greece. As a matter of fact, I believe (we all know what you believe) that any decent PATRIOT would protest the pissing away of the legacy our ancestors and forefathers left for us.

Give me liberty or give me death were the words of a patriot, not the words of a biblical prophet.

Stephanie wrote:No, Cato. What's right or wrong, what's moral and immoral, is instinctual, you feel it in your gut, it's that pesky little conscience telling you, "Hey! This is wrong, I shouldn't do that" or "I shouldn't sit back and say nothing while this goes on". My morals tell me abortion is wrong because abortion is murder, and my conscience tells me taking the life of another human being is WRONG, ALWAYS WRONG. That's not opinion, that is conscience talking.

Who I am to complain about goons in office spending not just my money, but that of my children and grandchildren, is it isn't their money to spend. It's OUR money not THEIR money. Furthermore, they are violating the OATH they SWORE to, the job they were elected to do, protect & defend the Constitution of the United States of America. When they don't do THAT, I have every right to protest at the top of my lungs, along with any citizen of this country who worries about American one day resembling modern day Greece. As a matter of fact, I believe (we all know what you believe) that any decent PATRIOT would protest the pissing away of the legacy our ancestors and forefathers left for us.

Give me liberty or give me death were the words of a patriot, not the words of a biblical prophet.

Tell me Stephanie, where then does conscience come from and how does it know what is right and moral and what is not?

Liberty is the ability to choose without being forced one way or another. Joshua told the Israelites to make a choice, he did not force them to choose. Ezekiel laid before the Israelite the following if ball be god worhip him if jehoval worship him, but don't sway between the two.

Our big brain, courtesy of evolution.

Nerves or not, morals come from something beyond man. If not then moral value is whatever man says it is, and thus we live in an anything goes world.

Moral values do indeed come from man- from men. That is why there are different sets of "moral values" from one society to another- and even from sub-groups within a society.

SamCogar wrote:Well now, iffen you and your wife and kids were all standing under a big umbrella I do not believe the umbrella would determine your all's destiny, but it might determine whether or not you get your arse wet.

And that is basically what Raegan was saying but due to your hatred for Republicans and any type of God you get "blindsighted" far to quickly and to often.

Your attempt to equate Republicanism with Godliness falls flat on its face- as it has for many generations before you.

And I certainly do not hate God. The natural blessings she bestows on us every day are a ceaseless source of love and reverence for Nature's God.

And I certainly do not hate God.

Sure you do. You hate everything that represents an "authority figure" to anyone, especially to yourself.

Sam,

Do you believe in god?

Stephanie wrote:Sam,

Do you believe in god?

No, but due to my early nurturing, latent fears of one still surface ever once in a while.

One never really forgets all that was imprinted in their memories during their early nurturing years and thus it can never really be, per say, forgotten or deleted.

Your brain is like a gigantic filing cabinet that starts getting loaded up the day you were born and each time new "information" is added it gets linked and cross-linked to other similar data.

Young children are seldom if ever taught (nurtured) to make choices or decisions about things until they are in their pre-teens, beginning say at 5 to 6 years old. Thus, anything they were taught prior to then, the majority are actually incapable of even considering an alternative to said nurturing.

One can't make "a choice" between two different entities unless they were first nurtered "to make choices" prior to being exposed to said two entities. And that is the very reason most parents teach, "No sex, ... No sex, ... No sex, ... No sex, ... " because when the "opportunity" arises they want their child to make that decision.

Thus, when it involves Religion and God(s), the child is only nurtured to believe, believe, believe the beliefs of their parent(s) or guardians, ...... and not to question those beliefs, ...... from the time they are born until they are 6, 10, 15, 18+ years old.

And that is why many adults have a strong religious faith and the majority of them are incapable of and/or will not even entertain the thought that "there is no God" or that the Bible, Koran, etc., "is not" the literal truth from their God or Savior.

And you can argue until the sky turns green and they won't change their mind.

"You are what you were nurtured to be", from yesterday and all the yesterdays before that.

cheers

I understand your feelings. I say if there is a god or gods, they've got better things to do (or at least far more interesting things) than worry about than whether or not a given person, among the billions and billions of people who are alive and the billions that have past and the billions yet to come. I also believe that if god(s) he/she/they isn't all that concerned about who and what you prayed to or when or where or any of that.

Contrary to Cato's assertions, people can be moral without believing in his interpretations of the stories in his version of the Bible. Surely such an entity wouldn't eternally punish, let's say the Dahli Lama, simply because he wasn't indoctrinated in Christianity. He's still a moral person.

Right you are Steph, that is sound logical reasoning.

Being indoctrinated (nurtured) to believe in the Christian Religion is really no different than being indoctrinated to speak the English language ....... except that no one is telling you that you are going to burn in Hell if you speak any other language than English.

ziggy wrote:

Nerves or not, morals come from something beyond man. If not then moral value is whatever man says it is, and thus we live in an anything goes world.

Moral values do indeed come from man- from men. That is why there are different sets of "moral values" from one society to another- and even from sub-groups within a society.

But one thing all have in common is treat others the way you want to be treated. That has to have some meaning.