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Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:56 am

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Post by Stephanie Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:54 am

I think they should get the hell out of Palestine too.

I think they should go home, or come here.
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Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:04 pm

Stephanie wrote:I think they should get the hell out of Palestine too.

I think they should go home, or come here.

They are home. The Palestinians are the interlopers.
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Post by SheikBen Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:10 pm

Stephanie,

By what right does anyone have the right to any land, ever?

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Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:40 pm

Stephanie wrote:I think they should get the hell out of Palestine too.

I think they should go home, or come here.

Should blacks go back to Africa? Should Italians go back to Italy?
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Post by Stephanie Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:35 pm

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Post by Stephanie Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:36 pm

“Arab Palestinian Christians and Arab Palestinian Muslims lived side by side for the past 1400 years, and for anybody to say that the Arab Palestinian Christians have been persecuted recently by Muslims is absolutely another big lie, like the big lie that spoke of Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.”
— Riah Abu El-Assal, Christian Bishop of Jerusalem
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Post by Stephanie Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:36 pm

“The state of Israel must invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the methods of provocation and revenge…. And above all, let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space.”
— From the diary of Moshe Sharett, Israeli’s first Foreign Minister from 1948-1956, and Prime Minister from 1954-1956
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Post by SamCogar Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:14 pm

Helen Thomas resigned her WH post.

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Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:45 pm

Helen Thomas should go back to the USSR.
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Post by Stephanie Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:07 am

Why? Because you don't like her opinion?
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Post by ohio county Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:38 am

Isn't it peculiar that you can easily find a video of Helen Thomas spewing hate but cannot find any video of racist epithets being hurled at sitting Congressmen wading through a sea of rabid Tea Partiers?
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Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:29 am

Stephanie wrote:Why? Because you don't like her opinion?

No. It is because I love the USSR.
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Post by SheikBen Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:31 am

Well done, Keli:)

Stephanie, did you dodge my question? By what right does anyone have the right to be anywhere? Why would Palestinian claims from the past 1400 years be stronger than Jewish claims 1000 years before that?

Do you Arabs have more civil rights in Israel or in Syria?

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Post by Stephanie Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:56 am

Apparently, whoever has the most weapons has the right to be in the location they choose. Right?

Arab claims from thousands of years are the strongest claims of all, Michael. Arab Muslims and Christians and Jews have far greater claim to the land that comprises Israel and the Occupied Territories than European or African Jews.

Reflections By An Arab Jew is something I hope you'll take time to read.

The Israeli government has created the largest concentration camp in history. It is called the Gaza Strip.
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Post by Stephanie Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:15 am

Do you Arabs have more civil rights in Israel or in Syria?

I suppose that's a typo, but just in the interest of full disclosure..... My ancestors are almost exclusively European. My maternal grandfather's paternal grandmother was half Wampanoag, at least that's what my grandfather said. I have no proof of that.

A Brown University professor of history once approached my father in a night club where he was singing and told him his last name indicates that we likely have some Arab ancestory going back to a Moors invasion of Italy. It is entirely possible she is correct. In fact, I'd say it is probable. My mother (with the teensy bit of Wampanoag maybe) flat out rejects this and refuses to even discuss the possibility. LOL

Now that that's out of the way, I have empathy for the people of Syria, sure I do. You'll hear me squawking about that when my country begins sending the Syrian government billions of tax payer dollars in weapons and cash. I'll begin commenting on it when they send them millions of pennies worth of weapons and cash.
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Post by SheikBen Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:13 pm

Hi Steph,

I meant to ask if "you suppose" rather than "you." D'oh!

As it is, I do not find the label of Arab whatsoever a negative one, and I wouldn't be in the least surprised if you were to have some Arab in ya. As for your dad singing at the nightclub, cool!!!

I do not excuse all of the actions of Israel, but I think the Palestinians and their friends do themselves no favors. Whatever the outcome is to be, I do not trust the US government, and especially not the present one, to help bring anything positive out of it.

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Post by Stephanie Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:05 pm

Yep, Dad is a very talented singer. I can't carry Row Row Row Your Boat in a bucket.

Life can be so unfair.
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Post by SheikBen Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:00 am

My grandfather was a very handsome man (for whom I am named) who kept his hair until his death at 82.

You've seen me:)SmileSmile

Life can be unfair, no doubt Steph!!!!

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Post by Stephanie Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:23 am

Phil Spector has hair. Sean Connery does not.

You're a Sean Connery type Smile
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Post by SheikBen Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:30 pm

You're very kind, lying though you are:)

Back to Helen Thomas, I really think that while she said something unfortunate, her ability to speak freely has been undervalued. I do not wish her ill and I am sorry for the harsh reaction directed against her. Truth be told (I'm stealing this idea but I heartily concur), she was representing dozens of other people who were there but lacked the cajones to say what Thomas said.

I think Thomas' right to freely speak her mind is of more importance than keeping out unpopular opinions. As an evangelical Christian, I fear the treatment directed at the Helen Thomas' of the world can find my direction.

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Post by Stephanie Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:39 pm

Many people simply don't understand the meaning of the word "liberty". I'm convinced.
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Post by SamCogar Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:37 am

You should read Suber's comments on this, here is part of it.

Don Surber: There's more to the Helen Thomas case

June 4 marked the 71st anniversary of President Franklin Roosevelt denying the German ocean liner St. Louis entry into the United States with more than 900 Jewish refugees aboard.

They sought asylum from the Nazi regime. Havana had turned them down. FDR did the same. Canada refused them.

The boat landed at Antwerp, and to their credit, England, France, Belgium and the Netherlands each accepted a portion of the passengers so that none had to return to Germany.

A year later, when Hitler overran Europe, many of the refugees wound up in concentration camps, with only 365 of the 620 passengers who were taken by France, Belgium and the Netherlands surviving the Holocaust.

So my advice to Hispanics or any other minority group that wants to remain in good standing with liberals is don't succeed. Fail. Always be the victim. Consider Cuban refugees. In Kennedy's time, liberals embraced them. Today, not so much. Cuban refugees included too many successful businessmen.

http://www.dailymail.com/Opinion/DonSurber/201006081026

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Post by SheikBen Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:04 am

Stephanie wrote:Many people simply don't understand the meaning of the word "liberty". I'm convinced.

I agree. In my classes, I urge my students to speak freely, whatever (and I mean whatever) is on their mind. My only caveat is that if they say something ridiculous, their peers will likely call them out.

Perhaps Thomas' statements in that venue indicated that she was becoming unfit for her job, but I am absolutely opposed to the apparent "quest for blood" that occurred based on the statements themselves. Let all of us enjoy our precious rights to speak freely. If freedom of speech means anything at all, it means the freedom to say something that other folks won't like.

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