He whose full name must not be spoken

I do wonder at this censorship, although a man's middle name is hardly his own doing.

I'm with you! There are about 8 million flaws that man has--if his middle name even matters it's number 8,000,001.

I agree with you, Michael. The question is, why bring up his middle name etc? That shock jock is a pig, imho. Of course, I don't like Howard Stern or Don Imus either. I think those men are all entitled to say whatever they like. Just don't expect me to listen to them.

Stephanie wrote:I agree with you, Michael. The question is, why bring up his middle name etc? That shock jock is a pig, imho. Of course, I don't like Howard Stern or Don Imus either. I think those men are all entitled to say whatever they like. Just don't expect me to listen to them.

It is not his name that is a problem. It is that some say it is racist or bigoted to say it.

Keli,

I think you know me well enough to realize I don't want Obama to be our President. I'm not defending Obama. It does bother me that people are using his race, religion and ethnic background against him this way. Those things aren't relevant. Nor are the things his parents may or may not have done. He isn't his father, he isn't his mother, and he isn't responsible for the things they did.

Obama provides us ample opportunity to attack his record and his "hopes". lol There is no need to stoop to these kinds of tactics.

Armon Ayers wrote:It is not his name that is a problem. It is that some say it is racist or bigoted to say it.

So is it racist or bigoted to say it? That depends on the context and the motivation of who is saying it.

I don't think acknowledging his race is necessary racist. How his race his acknowledged is how racisim is defined.

I won't not vote for him because he's black, I'll not vote for him because, imo, he's a socialist and he wants to spend a couple hundred billion dollars on unconstitutional entitlement programs.

I've never understood why it is he's defined as "black" anyway. His mother was white. If he'd married a white woman would his children still be "black"?

I don't think his race should be an issue. It's silly.

ziggy wrote:

Armon Ayers wrote:It is not his name that is a problem. It is that some say it is racist or bigoted to say it.

So is it racist or bigoted to say it? That depends on the context and the motivation of who is saying it.

Is calling President Bush "moron monkey boy" racist or bigoted?

Stephanie wrote:I've never understood why it is he's defined as "black" anyway. His mother was white. If he'd married a white woman would his children still be "black"?

Oh!! That really cuts, Stephanie.

But you have hit on an important social note. If a person is percieved as having noticable "black" or "negro" ancestry, he or she is so often referred to simply as "black". It is such a telling social commentary about our concepts of racial superiorities, about our racial fears, about our both overt and subliminal bigotries.

Armon Ayers wrote:Is calling President Bush "moron monkey boy" racist or bigoted?

That depends on: (1) Whether it is or isn't true, and (2) The context in which it is spoken, and the motivation of the "caller".

ziggy wrote:

Armon Ayers wrote:Is calling President Bush "moron monkey boy" racist or bigoted?

That depends on: (1) Whether it is or isn't true, and (2) The context in which it is spoken, and the motivation of the "caller".

Oh, so calling people names is acceptable some times--as long as the speaker thinks it is true and has what he/she thinks is the proper motivation?? If so, where's the beef, Ziggy?

Calling Bush a moron monkey boy isn't racist. Calling him a cracker would be racist. If a person calls all neocons moron monkey boys or girls, then that's bigotted.

Hope this helps.

I think we all agree on this one, really. You either like a guy's policies or you don't, and you ought to vote accordingly.

Armon Ayers wrote:Oh, so calling people names is acceptable some times--as long as the speaker thinks it is true and has what he/she thinks is the proper motivation??

"Acceptable" to whom? Whether it is acceptable is a subjective social opinion.

If so, where's the beef, Ziggy?

Ask someone else. I don't have a beef with it. Call anyone anything you care to- as you always have. But just be prepared to accept the blasphemies of others with the same carefree aplomb as you do your own.

ziggy wrote:

Stephanie wrote:I've never understood why it is he's defined as "black" anyway. His mother was white. If he'd married a white woman would his children still be "black"?

Oh!! That really cuts, Stephanie.

But you have hit on an important social note. If a person is percieved as having noticable "black" or "negro" ancestry, he or she is so often referred to simply as "black". It is such a telling social commentary about our concepts of racial superiorities, about our racial fears, about our both overt and subliminal bigotries.

I referred to him as mixed on the previous board. I was told HB, who I was led to believe was black, that Obama was indeed black.

BO himself identifies himself as an Africian American. It's as much a social commentary about the black community that self identifies for entitlement reasons as it is the white community.

ziggy wrote:

Armon Ayers wrote:Oh, so calling people names is acceptable some times--as long as the speaker thinks it is true and has what he/she thinks is the proper motivation??

"Acceptable" to whom? Whether it is acceptable is a subjective social opinion.

If so, where's the beef, Ziggy?

Ask someone else. I don't have a beef with it. Call anyone anything you care to- as you always have. But just be prepared to accept the blasphemies of others with the same carefree aplomb as you do your own.

So it's fine and dandy to be disrespectful to our President and his office so long as you aren't racist!!! HMMM

Aaron wrote:I referred to him as mixed on the previous board. I was told HB, who I was led to believe was black, that Obama was indeed black.

You were lead to believe that HB was black? By whom? It looks to me like you pay too much attention to SamCogar. I know HB, and I've met his mother. Neither of them are black- at least not as one can discern by looking. He might have some AmerIndian ancestry, though.

BO himself identifies himself as an Africian American.

His father was a black man from Kenya, his mother a white woman from Kansas. Can one be any more African-American than that?

ziggy wrote:

Aaron wrote:I referred to him as mixed on the previous board. I was told HB, who I was led to believe was black, that Obama was indeed black.

You were lead to believe that HB was black? By whom? It looks to me like you pay too much attention to SamCogar. I know HB, and I've met his mother. Neither of them are black- at least not as one can discern by looking. He might have some AmerIndian ancestry, though.

HB himself but his race didn't change the fact that he was and is a blow that was all huff and no puff.

ziggy wrote:

BO himself identifies himself as an Africian American.

His father was a black man from Kenya, his mother a white woman from Kansas. Can one be any more African-American than that?

What if his father were a white man from Africa and his mother were a black woman from America and he were very light skinned, would he still be African American?

Either way, I could care less. He's a socialist in favor of unconstitutional entitlement programs and that is why I will not be voting for him, period.

Stephanie wrote:Calling Bush a moron monkey boy isn't racist. Calling him a cracker would be racist. If a person calls all neocons moron monkey boys or girls, then that's bigotted.

Hope this helps.

What about calling Obama ..... "a moron monkey boy", ..... would that be racist?

.

SamCogar wrote:

Stephanie wrote:Calling Bush a moron monkey boy isn't racist. Calling him a cracker would be racist. If a person calls all neocons moron monkey boys or girls, then that's bigotted.

Hope this helps.

What about calling Obama ..... "a moron monkey boy", ..... would that be racist?

.

How about calling him "half a cracker?"

SamCogar wrote:What about calling Obama ..... "a moron monkey boy", ..... would that be racist? .

If it's true, why would it be "racist" to say so?

Aaron wrote:

ziggy wrote:Ask someone else. I don't have a beef with it. Call anyone anything you care to- as you always have. But just be prepared to accept the blasphemies of others with the same carefree aplomb as you do your own.

So it's fine and dandy to be disrespectful to our President and his office so long as you aren't racist!!! HMMM

Being racist has nothing to do with it. Either "our President" is worthy of respect, or he isn't. Bush isn't. He disrespects the office of the Presidency far beyond the individual or collective ability of 300 millions Americans to do so.