Glenn Beck: Prophet or Profit?
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Glenn Beck: Prophet or Profit?
The following is a post from Randy Lovegreen, an elder of Sovereign Grace Church in Bakersfield, CA and edited a little by M. J. Bardon.
We must all be praying for Mr. Beck. We must pray that God would open his eyes to the truth, and change his heart so he might see the glorious Gospel of Grace.
Glenn Beck is a popular guy. His show on Fox News is one of the highest rated shows on cable news. Millions of people watch him every day. More importantly, many Christians watch him every day. Most know that he is a Mormon, as he is open about his LDS faith on his show. Most don't care.
Should we?
Well, until the show which aired on August 18th, 2010, I didn't. Sure, I knew he was a member of the Mormon church, but other than a few language oddities such as his constant re
That all changed yesterday.
Now, my point in writing this isn't to go out of my way to pick a fight with the Mormon Church, but my role as an Elder in a Christian church compels me to defend the flock against wolves, and in this case, Beck has crossed the line into "wolfdom." Because so many Christians watch and enjoy his show, including many in my own church, I was forced to offer a response.
The premise of his August 18th show was this:
"The Native Americans were descended from an ancient civilization that existed on this continent in pre-historic and Biblical times. This civilization, had large cities and a very advanced culture, including a writing system and higher religious thought"
Beck went so far as to say, "The ancient Indians actually had religious writings which were a proto-Hebrew Bible". He also offered the "fact" that the Native Americans were descended from the Jews. He went on to cite various "scholars", "experts" and "archaeologists" who support this claim.
Not only that, but he mentioned a "shocking DVD", a documentary, that tells us the true story, a story that has been covered up by mainstream science for political reasons. He even gave the web address for the DVD he was talking about. If history is any indication, he just made those filmmakers very wealthy.
This is powerful stuff. Where have I heard this before?
These are the beliefs held by the Mormon Church, and written about by Joseph Smith in the Book of Mormon.
What Beck didn't mention in his show, and what caused me to speak out, was the fact that he presented this as if it were settled scientific fact. He also failed to mention that every single one of his experts, scholars and archaeologists were Mormon apologists.
Rick Stout, the filmmaker that produced the DVD, screens his films at - wait for it - The LDS Film Festival.
Beck also failed to mention that the 19th Century scientists he referenced with regard to the "Block Hebrew" writing found on this continent have been thoroughly debunked, and not one single scientific body accepts their thesis. Not only that, but there is not one shred of evidence that there were "cities as large as Los Angeles, Boston or London" on this continent in pre-historic times as Beck claims.
So what? Why does it matter if he teaches this, or Christians buy into this?
Here's why:
The entire Mormon belief system is built on the idea that one of the twelve tribes of Israel came to North America in the years before Christ. They settled here, and developed these "advanced civilizations". Because of this, Christ, when He finished his work with the Apostles, actually came to America to share the "gospel" with this lost tribe. This visit, along with the "true gospel," was recorded on golden tablets, which laid buried until the angel Moroni told Joseph Smith where to find them. The reason for the angel's revelation? Christianity had become apostate, and all of their creeds were corrupt, and all of their followers were deceived. Therefore, it fell to Smith not to "reform" the Christian church, but to "restore" it.
So are Mormons Christian, or not?
Well, they claim to be. In fact, Beck claims to be. But lets compare what they believe with orthodox Christianity on three key issues.
On God:
The orthodox Christian view is that there is one God, Creator of all things, holy, infinitely perfect, and eternally existing in a loving unity of three equally divine Persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Having limitless knowledge and sovereign power, God has graciously purposed from eternity to redeem a people for Himself and to make all things new for His own glory.
The Mormon view is that there is one god FOR THIS PLANET, and that this god is but one of many, many gods who are each overseeing their own planet. The Mormon god is not eternally self-existent, but is nothing more than a man, who through "eternal progression" achieved godhood and was rewarded with a planet of his own. The Mormons believe that they may one day become gods themselves, get their own planet, and spend eternity having endless celestial sex with their many wives for the purpose of populating their planet with future gods. The fifth president of the LDS church, Lorenzo Snow famously said, "As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become."
On Jesus:
The orthodox Christian view is that Jesus Christ is God incarnate, fully God and fully man, one Person in two natures. Jesus, Israel's promised Messiah, was conceived through the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He lived a sinless life, was crucified under Pontius Pilate, arose bodily from the dead, ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father as our High Priest and Advocate.
The Mormon view is that Jesus is not eternally self existent, but that he is the first of the children of the Mormon god. They also believe that Satan was the second of this god's children, making Jesus and Lucifer spirit brothers. In Mormon theology, Jesus was created, and is not in fact, divine.
The Bible:
The orthodox Christian view is that God has spoken in the Scriptures, both Old and New Testaments, through the words of human authors. As the verbally inspired Word of God, the Bible is without error in the original writings, the complete revelation of His will for salvation, and the ultimate authority by which every realm of human knowledge and endeavor should be judged. Therefore, it is to be believed in all that it teaches, obeyed in all that it requires, and trusted in all that it promises.
The Mormon view is that the Bible is the Word of God in so far as it is translated correctly. The Mormons also believe that the Bible is only ONE of the several ways that God has spoken to his people. Included with the Bible is the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. These four books are known to the LDS church as the "Standard Works". The Mormons also believe that God has spoken, and continues to speak today through his prophet. Where the pronouncements of the prophet contradict the writings in their scriptures, they hold to the teachings of the prophet.
Salvation: (added by M. J. Bardon)
The biblical Christian view is that salvation (being born-again spiritually, receiving eternal life, being justified fully, and being forgiven all (past, present and future)) is by grace alone through faith in Christ and his sacrifice alone apart from any good works, merit, sacraments, or church membership.
The Mormon view is that salvation (obtaining eternal life in the presence of God) is "by grace after all we can do" (BofM 2 Nephi 25:23). They say, "We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel."—A of F 1:3. "We must have faith in Jesus Christ, repent throughout our lives, be baptized and receive other ordinances, and faithfully endure to the end. If we do that, we are promised eternal life through the grace of God."
It is clear from looking at just these four issues that Mormonism and Christianity are incompatible. If you don't believe in the God of the Bible, you don't believe in God at all. If you get Jesus wrong, you miss the Gospel completely. If you believe that obtaining salvation is by faith plus works, you will be justly condemned by a Holy God for all eternity (Romans 4:5). Mormonism is particularly insidious because it SOUNDS so much like Christianity. Remember, we may use the same words, but we are using different dictionaries.
This is why Glenn Beck's stealth Mormon apologetics are so dangerous. No doubt thousands of Christians will order that DVD. Many will believe what they say, and will do so without realizing that not only is it scientifically inaccurate, but it is laying the groundwork for a false Gospel.
Beck is using his show to break the ice for Mormon theology, and promoting a worldview that supports the beliefs of his church. His hour long infomercial for Mormon history only makes it easier for those well groomed young men on bicycles to strike up a conversation, and lead folks astray.
We must all be praying for Mr. Beck. We must pray that God would open his eyes to the truth, and change his heart so he might see the glorious Gospel of Grace.
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Re: Glenn Beck: Prophet or Profit?
Now I don’t recall seeing the above noted Glenn Beck program but you Christians, regardless of which one of the hundreds of different factions of the Christian Religion you ascribe to, really shouldn’t be badmouthing Beck for what you think is an outlandish representation of historical events because he would be hard pressed to come up with anything more outlandish than what the Christians have been preaching for the past 2,000 years or the Jews have been preaching for the past 4,000+ years.
Just because Beck is offering something that your parishioners want to hear, ….. you all really shouldn’t be getting all pouty and pissy faced at him, but instead, do likewise and tell them what they want to hear ……. instead of what only you want them to hear. Talk a “better mousetrap”, per say iffen you expect to keep them in your “religious trap”.
And for God’s sake, start telling them something other than that they are “going straight to hell” if they don’t do what you tell them to do.
I don’t think I have ever met a Preacher that spent more time telling people what they should do to get into Heaven ….. than he did at telling them what they would go to Hell for doing.
Just because Beck is offering something that your parishioners want to hear, ….. you all really shouldn’t be getting all pouty and pissy faced at him, but instead, do likewise and tell them what they want to hear ……. instead of what only you want them to hear. Talk a “better mousetrap”, per say iffen you expect to keep them in your “religious trap”.
And for God’s sake, start telling them something other than that they are “going straight to hell” if they don’t do what you tell them to do.
I don’t think I have ever met a Preacher that spent more time telling people what they should do to get into Heaven ….. than he did at telling them what they would go to Hell for doing.
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