AUNT ESTHER

What is wrong with living in a shack in Kenya on $25 a year- even if one is the half brother of Barack Obama? If that works for George, why is it any of our concern?

I don't think it's George that is as much a concern as it is the 15 million illegal immigrants that are currently sapping the resources from this country.

ziggy wrote:What is wrong with living in a shack in Kenya on $25 a year- even if one is the half brother of Barack Obama? If that works for George, why is it any of our concern?

LOL, Ziggy! I find these type of arguments in support of O to be quite humorous, Ziggy. "What difference does it make if he is a Muslim?" It makes a lot of difference because it means he is a liar! He claims to be Christian--"a dedicated Christian!" "What difference does it make if his brother does live in a shack making $25/year?" A lot! It means that O is only liberal with other people's money! Couldn't he forgo one shrimp dinner or golf game and at least double his brother's income to $50/year by sending it to George? O is as hollow as those fake columns he used in his LA dog-and-pony show! That's why is matters!

Armon Ayers wrote:

ziggy wrote:What is wrong with living in a shack in Kenya on $25 a year- even if one is the half brother of Barack Obama? If that works for George, why is it any of our concern?

LOL, Ziggy! I find these type of arguments in support of O to be quite humorous, Ziggy. "What difference does it make if he is a Muslim?" It makes a lot of difference because it means he is a liar! He claims to be Christian--"a dedicated Christian!"

Most self-professed Chrisrtians in America are liars. If they believed their drivel, they would not live the way they do. So what's your point?

"What difference does it make if his brother does live in a shack making $25/year?" A lot! It means that O is only liberal with other people's money! Couldn't he forgo one shrimp dinner or golf game and at least double his brother's income to $50/year by sending it to George? O is as hollow as those fake columns he used in his LA dog-and-pony show! That's why is matters

How do we know that half brother George would want $ 50 a year? If he has all he wants at $25 a year, what use would he have for $50? Does the culture of Kenya demand that $50 a year is somehow better than $25? You seem to insist that the American President somehow force onto Kenyans the American obsession with greater and greater amounts of government scrip. Why?

I don't think it's George that is as much a concern as it is the 15 million illegal immigrants that are currently sapping the resources from this country.

I agree. But Keli seems currently somehow obsessed with Obama's half brother, George, and the economics of living in Kenya.

I don't think it is that he is obsessed with our Presidents brother as he is in pointing out that our President along with a great deal of liberals do not seem to be concerned about the millions that are here illegally. If anything, like his Aunt Ester, Keli seems to think that our President will give her the same free pass as those 15 other million or so.

Some of us see beyond the liberal votes those illegals cast and see a drain on our resources.

Aaron wrote:I don't think it is that he is obsessed with our Presidents brother as he is in pointing out that our President along with a great deal of liberals do not seem to be concerned about the millions that are here illegally. If anything, like his Aunt Ester, Keli seems to think that our President will give her the same free pass as those 15 other million or so. Some of us see beyond the liberal votes those illegals cast and see a drain on our resources.

If it is just about Obama and "liberal votes", then why has it been three decades or so of runaway illegal immigration- 2/3rds of which was highlighted by Republican (Reagan-Bush-Bush) presidential administrations? Do you really think that either party wants to see the illegal immigration issue put to rest? Is politics based on imported "liberal votes, the-immigration-laws-be-damned" any worse than politics based on a policy of allowing an almost endless supply of imported "cheap labor, the-immigration-laws-be-damned"?

Reagan signed the Simpson-Mazzoli Act so he addressed immigration, Bush II tried to address the issue and I'm not sure it was an issue for Bush I. I'm not saying that both parties do not want the same thing, a voting bloc, but regarding the the previous 2 Republican Presidents, at least get your facts straight.

Ok

Simply signing a bill into law means almost nothing unless the law is actually implemented. The fact remains that for 30 years or so the southern borders of the U.S. have leaked like a sieve. (The northern borders have been equally or maybe even more vulnerable- just without the pressure of illegal immigrants pushing through at every opportunity).

I'm not saying that both parties do not want the same thing, a voting bloc, ...................

And neither am I. I appreciate your political honesty here.

I know the reason. Those groups became clients of the democrats who called their vote-buying schemes "social justice". First they marginalized the fathers by making it more lucrative to have children without them. Then they enslaved ensuing generations thus completing the Circle of Life.

Stock generalizations? That isn't like you, OC.

I happen to know that the problem isn't solely because ALL poor blacks and minorities hold their hands out believing themselves to be owed something.

At least part of problem is that it is still OK to discriminate, as long as you are careful. Deny it all you like, but I have heard enough "fried chicken and watermelon in the White House" jokes to last me a lifetime. What I find funny is that the people that tell those jokes expect me to believe that their objections against the President have nothing to do with color.

I agree. But Keli seems currently somehow obsessed with Obama's half brother, George, and the economics of living in Kenya.

And if Obama bailed him out and got him citizenship, he'd be attacked for using his "influence for personal reasons".

This is a lose-lose situation for the prez.

Mudslinging, in other words. OK, in this instance, but if you do it to someone like Christine O'Donnell, it is an evil, personal attack.

(The northern borders have been equally or maybe even more vulnerable- just without the pressure of illegal immigrants pushing through at every opportunity that they aren't all scary brown and tan people that can't speak English).

Fixed that for you.

White Canadians are not stealing across the border to live n' work in the US.

A couple scary brown and tan bombers have slipped across the border though.

A couple scary brown and tan bombers have slipped across the border though.

And we grow some white ones that sprout up near federal buildings and abortion clinics, also.

And at strip mines, logging sites and in the court rooms of America. Terrorist are everywhere.

And at strip mines, logging sites and in the court rooms of America.

Agreed. That is why racial profiling is BS.

Perhaps if you can show eco-terrorist or home grown white terrorist are proportionate, you might have a point.

Our friend, shermangeneral, was good at keeping posters on subject. Maybe not good at it but he was earnest and ambitious.

The simple answer to your question is that might makes right. The Iriquois Nation presumed to speak for all Amerindians on the basis of the fact the Iriquois' had wiped out the Erie Indians. That is, the right of conquest. This despite the fact they had never defeated the Shawnees or the Sioux or the Cherokees. They parlayed their predominance over the hapless Eries as dominance over all of the "western" Indians. This is not evidence of a defect in white Europeans. It is evidence of a lack of candor in Amerindians.

This is a simple matter of human relations. There is nothing unique to Amerindians here Strength rules. The American Indian is not a noble, altruistic being. He was a force of nature and only slightly less barbaric than the English redcoat...

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I think some of the men, women and children who were brutally attacked while heading west, were scalped and left for the buzzards would disagree with you OC. They would probably think the Amerindians were a tad more barbaric then the Redcoat.

TerryRC wrote:And at strip mines, logging sites and in the court rooms of America.

Agreed. That is why racial profiling is BS.

A very, very strange comment, ....... especially coming from someone who employs "racial profiling" almost every work day of his life when investigating and/or searching for the "culprit" insect species, etc. that is causing damage or harm to the biota that us humans strive to protect.

Aaron wrote:The American Indian is not a noble, altruistic being. He was a force of nature and only slightly less barbaric than the English redcoat...

I think some of the men, women and children who were brutally attacked while heading west, were scalped and left for the buzzards would disagree with you OC. They would probably think the Amerindians were a tad more barbaric then the Redcoat.

Me thinks it was the French that first talked the Amerindians into "the scalping business".

When the Redcoats found independence-minded Americans in New York City during the American Revolution, they removed their heads and placed them on pikes in the public square.

When the Shawnees discovered Jacob Greathouse, the man who supervised the slaughter of Logan's sister, brother, unborn nephew, and many others; they staked the end of his colon several feet away from him. To avoid the varmints eating his entrails he was forced to disembowel himself. Scalping was none too pretty either... Then there were the gauntlets and the death by pyre, etc.

A very, very strange comment, ....... especially coming from someone who employs "racial profiling" almost every work day of his life when investigating and/or searching for the "culprit" insect species, etc. that is causing damage or harm to the biota that us humans strive to protect.

Sam, you don't even know what you are talking about, do you... . When I set a trap, I look at EVERYTHING in it, not just the "furriners". You see, I try not to have preconceptions when I study something. They frequently blind you to what is actually going on.

And as far as Aunt Ester goes, the original topic of this thread, let her apply for citizenship just like people in the rest of the world.

We all know that any string pulling by the CIC will result in charges of nepotism and abuse of position.